Participants

Steve Altebrando; IR Contact Officer; CMCT

David Thompson; Chief Executive Officer; Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Barry Berlin; Chief Financial Officer; Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Presentation

Operator

Hello and welcome to the Creative Media and Community Trust. Third quarter, 2024 earnings call,
(Operator Instructions)
I would now like to hand the call to Steve Altebrando. Please go ahead.

Steve Altebrando

Hello, everyone and thank you for joining us.
My name is Steve Altebrando, the portfolio oversight for CMCT.
Also on the call today are David Thompson, our Chief Executive Officer and Barry Berlin, our Chief Financial Officer.
This call is being webcast and will be temporarily archived on the investor relations section of our website where you can also find our earnings release. Our earnings release includes a reconciliation of nongaap financial measures discussed during today's call.
During this call. We will make forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are based on the beliefs of assumptions made by and information currently available to us. Our actual results will be affected by known and unknown risks, trends, uncertainties and other factors that are beyond our control or ability to predict.
Although we believe that our assumptions are reasonable, they are not guarantees of future performance and some will prove to be incorrect.
Therefore, our actual future results can be expected to differ from our expectations and those differences may be material for a more detailed description of potential risks. Please refer to our sec filings which can be found in the investor relations section of our website.
With that, I'll turn the call over to David Thompson.

David Thompson

Thanks Steve and thank you everyone for joining our call. Today. We continue to work through the challenges in the real estate market, particularly the traditional office asset class, as well as the challenges in the Bay area.
We remain committed to increasing our multifamily portfolio as well as reducing our traditional office assets. A strategy that we have pursued for more than two years and believe is best suited for the current market environment.
In the third quarter, we announced actions to accelerate our focus towards premier multifamily assets. These steps are also aimed at strengthening our balance sheet and improving our liquidity and cash flow. We are making progress against these goals.
First, we are in the advanced stages of refinancing several of our assets including our Sheraton Grant Hotel and several of our high quality Los Angeles office assets.
We intend to use the proceeds from these property level refinancings to fully repay and retire our recourse corporate level credit facility. We plan to invest in your remaining proceeds along with proceeds from future potential asset sales or refinancings principally to acquire additional premier multifamily properties.
Second, we continue to make progress on rebalancing our portfolio including through our multifamily development pipeline and the renovation of our hotel asset.
We will continue to evaluate the disposition of assets that do not fit our strategy with respect to our multifamily pipeline. We recently completed an office to multifamily conversion at 4,750 Wilshire and are on track to complete our 36 unit multifamily development in Echo Park in Los Angeles. In the third quarter of 2025 we also just closed a coinvestment in 1,902 Park Avenue, another premier class a apartment property which is located also in Echo Park.
That transaction provided a cash distribution to CMC and will contribute recurring management fees.
We believe we have a growing portfolio of premier assets and these steps will better position the company to participate in the real estate recovery.
Turning to our third quarter results, we continue to be impacted by elevated short term interest rates, continued soft rental rates at our Bay area multifamily assets, lower office occupancy and renovation disruption at our hotel with respect to the office we noted last quarter, our largest tenant at one Kaiser Plaza gave back approximately 130,000 square feet at the end of July with respect to our hotel.
Our results were significantly impacted this quarter by a temporary disruption from the renovation of our hotel property in Sacramento. However, we anticipate finalizing the room renovation around year end which will be in time for the busier seasonal period typically in the 1st and 2nd quarters of each year.
With that, I will turn it over to Steve to provide a further update on our development pipeline, the portfolio and our co investment activity.

Steve Altebrando

Thanks David. Starting with the coinvestment, we just closed at 1902, Park Avenue, a 75 unit, fully leased apartment community, an international institutional investor acquired a 49% interest in this premier class a apartment property located in Echo Park, a thriving walkable submarket with abundant dining and entertainment options.
Proceeds from the investment were used to pay off the mortgage and fund a distribution to C MC T and another C I IC im advised fund, the CMCT and the CIM advised fund each acquired a 50% ownership interest in 1902 Park Avenue in early 2023. In an off market transaction.
After this transaction, CMc T's ownership will decline to about 25.5%. C MC T will earn a management fee and potentially an incentive fee based on future performance.
This represents C Mc T's second coinvestment where C MC T earns fee income turning to our development pipeline. And as David just mentioned, we have three projects underway or just completed including two multifamily projects in L A and the hotel room renovation in Sacramento.
Starting with our multifamily projects, our office to residential project at 4,750 Wiltshire was completed in the third quarter ahead of schedule with the residential component being renamed 701, South Hudson.
The asset is located in Hancock Park, an affluent residential submarket of L A where housing is supply constrained.
The property was previously a three story office building and the ground floor creative office is 100% leased and the top two floors were converted to 68 high end four rent residential units leasing has commenced and as of today, the residential portion is currently 10% leased.
We are also evaluating additional multifamily development opportunities at this property on adjacent land that is currently used for surface parking. We are in the initial stages of seeking entitlements.
Our second multifamily development is 1,915 Park in Echo Park which has an expected mid 2025 delivery upon completion, the new seven story building will feature 36 units. The building is currently being topped off with rough and work underway.
Turning to our hotel. Our $21 million room renovation at the Sheridan Grand Sacramento which began in July includes a refresh of ALL503 rooms. We have completed nearly 300 rooms so far and we expect to complete the project around the end of 2024 which is also ahead of our original schedule.
We believe this renovation will be especially beneficial to the asset as it is one of just two hotels located directly across the street from Sacramento's Convention Center which itself completed a major renovation and expansion in 2021 according to our operating portfolio on a consolidated basis. At quarter end, our multifamily segment was about 92% occupied excluding the recently opened seven and one South Hudson property.
This compares to 79.3% at the end of 2023.
This increase is largely driven by a significant improvement in occupancy at our channel house and 1,150 clay multifamily assets in Oakland.
Our achieved rental rates have been below expectations as the market continues to absorb the high level of supply added across Oakland in 2018 through 2022.
Given the still elevated cost to develop, we believe the local rents would need to increase dramatically before it is economical to see new multifamily construction. Therefore, we expect minimal new supply for the foreseeable future and eventually market rent growth.
Turning to office overall, our office lease percentage declined to 72.9% at the end of the quarter from 83.5% last quarter. Primarily due to the lower occupancy at our One Oakland office building, a traditional office investment that does not fit our current strategy with that. I'll turn it over to Barry.

Barry Berlin

Thank you, Steve.
Good morning.
I will be going over some of our financial highlights for the third quarter starting with our segment. No, I, which was $7.6 million for the third quarter of 2024. Compared to $11.2 million in the prior year. Comparable period. A decrease of $3.6 million broken down by our four segments. We experienced decreases of $3.9 million in our office segment and $950,000 in our hotel segment, which were partially offset by increases of $900,000 and $320,000 respectively. In our multifamily and lending business segments.
Our office segment decrease of $3.9 million in net O I to $5.4 million from $9.3 million was primarily driven by the pickup of earnings from our unconsolidated office entities which collectively experienced net unrealized losses on their investments in real estate during the current quarter compared to net unrealized gains in Q3 last year.
Additionally, we saw an increase in operating expenses at our consolidated properties primarily at an office property in Oakland, California and an office property in Austin, Texas.
Our hotel segment decrease of $950,000 in no I to $970,000 for the third quarter of 2024. From $1.9 million in the third quarter. Last year was primarily attributable to a decrease in occupancy which was negatively impacted by construction related to hotel renovations that began during the third quarter of 2024.
Our multifamily segment increase of approximately $900,000 in no I to a profit of $510,000 from a loss of $390,000 for the third quarter. Last year, the improvement was primarily due to higher occupancy and higher monthly rent per occupied unit net of rent concessions at our multifamily properties in Oakland, California and our lending division increase of $325,000 in no I to approximately $690,000 from $365,000 for the third quarter. Last year was primarily due to decreased interest expense resulting from principal repayments on our SB A seven a loan back notes in our non segment expenses. We had a significant decrease in depreciation and amortization of $9.7 million which was driven by the full amortization during 2023 of the acquired in place and tangible assets for our Oakland assets while there was no amortization for acquired in place lease intangible assets during 2024.
Also of importance is our election to redeem a total of approximately $2.6 million shares of series A one preferred stock and $2.2 million shares of series A preferred stock. In late September 2024 we paid for these redemptions through the issuance of shares of our common stock which in total amounted to approximately $60.5 million shares.
Concurrent with such redemption, we suspended our offering of the series A one preferred stock.
The redemption caused us to record approximately $16 million as a reduction of net income available to common stockholders.
The preferred redemptions are part of our ongoing efforts to improve our liquidity and FFO and based on the current fed funds rate will reduce our preferred dividend by nearly $8 million per year.
Our FFO was a negative $1 per diluted share compared to negative 31¢ in the prior year comparable period. And our core FFO was a negative 40¢ per diluted share compared to a negative 29¢ in the prior year comparable period.
The decrease in FFO was primarily caused by the redeemable preferred stock redemptions of $15.7 million and the decrease of $3.6 million in segment no, I the decrease in core FFO was driven by the previously mentioned decrease in segment noi but not impacted by the increase in redeemable preferred stock redemptions. As these are excluded from our core FFO calculation, we can now open the line for questions.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

(Operator Instructions)
Today's first question comes from John Maoka with B Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Good morning.
Maybe he's going up first to the, he's going first to the the preferred conversion.
You maybe provide some color on. And the drivers behind the decision to convert those into common equity. And I guess maybe longer term.
What's the potential for more conversions going forward?

David Thompson

Sure, this is David. I'll, take a shot at that and see if you can fill in if I miss anything. I mean, as we noted in our press release and our discussions and we're very focused on strengthening the balance sheet, improving cash flow, focusing on liquidity. You know, we've long said that our target capital structure has about 40% common equity and what we've seen over the last couple of years with the values of real estate going down because of interest rates and particularly for us challenges in the Bay Area, you know, that had gotten out of balance.
So this helps us in that regard and it also helps us with again taking more proactive steps to improve cash flow. So we, you know, we save on the the cash preferred dividend by converting it into common. And again, this kind of aligns with some of the other things we we've talked about doing, including, you know, being in the advanced stages of refinancing the hotel and several of our high quality L A office assets.
And, and again, to put us in a better position to be, again, focused on strengthening the balance sheet and improving the cash flow, I think, with respect to going forward, I mean, it's something we just have to continue to evaluate, you know, ultimately, that will be a decision of our board, but it's something that we're, we're keeping an eye on and again, don't have a view one way or the other at this point, but it's something where we'll continue to evaluate.

Okay. is there a certain kind of conversion price that is off putting to doing more going forward? I mean, you know, the stock obviously has been down significantly, you know, the common equity has been down significantly since the conversion happened.
And I don't know if that, you know, if you and the board find that off putting for more conversions going forward or if it's just kind of, this is something that, that needs to happen in order to right size, you know, where you want the balance sheet to be positioned.

David Thompson

Yeah, I mean, I think they are all factors. We're going to have to look at, we'll have to look at where it's trading. We'll have to look at again, what are the benefits to our liquidity? What are the benefits to begin getting our capital structure back more in line with the target? So it's all going to come into play.
And again, ultimately, it will be something the board will have to make a decision on.

Okay. And then, you know, in terms of some of the planned future refinancings is there, you know, broad strokes, kind of a range of interest rates, sorry, interest rate savings, you're kind of looking at today as you, as you think about some of those that refinancing activity or is it still, you know, too early.

David Thompson

Steve If you want to take that? I don't know yet.

Steve Altebrando

Yeah, I mean, a lot of it is really dependent on the five year which has been pretty volatile of late. But I think more than anything, I think there is an opportunity for interest rate savings, but kind of bigger picture for us is we are shifting our financing strategy more to a property level strategy.
And you know, there's certain benefits of that including I think just, just lower overall risk to the enterprise. I think there is an opportunity for some interest rates and things and certainly an opportunity to term out our debt extended maturities.
So, that's really the driver behind it is really the, I would say that the shift of the strategy as opposed to the rate Yeah, but having said that I do think there are some, some opportunities to, to reduce rate a little bit.

Would you be looking to you know, to create more capital via those refinancings or is it kind of going to be a one for one? And you're just kind of looking to you know, shift stuff positional positionally and then also would the focus be more on fixed or kind of floating? You think at a property level.

Steve Altebrando

There, there is an Opportunity to free up some capital, our our leverage when you look at just pure debt versus our assets is, is, is pretty low. So there is an opportunity to free up some, some capital and which for respect to, for the most part, we're looking at fixed rate.
You know, the exception being the hotel where there's a business plan to our term and with respect to the renovation, in which case, you know, we're looking at refinancing that asset right now and it would be a floater and that, and the benefits of that is, it allows you to basically refinance at a later date and without any restrictions of basically prepayments.

And then any kind of other things going forward that could, you know, create additional capital, you know, maybe you know, disposition of assets you're looking at today and or you know, other forms of raising capital now that, you know, the preferred pipeline if you will has been turned off.

Steve Altebrando

We are really looking across every asset in the portfolio and evaluating whether it makes sense to potentially sell.
So I would say everything is on the table on that front. So and we'll we'll continue to you really, really be focused on positioning the portfolio and raising some capital near term positioning the portfolio for growth going forward.

Okay? And then one last one for me, sorry, it's a little all over the place given, you know, the direction of the last couple of questions. But if if you did create more capital on the balance sheet today, any thoughts to a buyback just given where the stock is trading?

David Thompson

I think it's a little Too early.
Go ahead Steve.

Steve Altebrando

Yeah, I think it's a little too early. We're we're still have some wood to chop on the on the refi you know, once we get through that. So the goal is to retire that the credit facility entirely and, and wind up with some additional capital.
And, and at that point, you know, we can start evaluating whether you know, something like that makes sense.

I appreciate taking questions. That's it for me. Thank you.
Thanks John.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session and the conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.