Release Date: February 12, 2025

For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.

Positive Points

• Origin Energy Ltd (OGFGF) reported a 14% increase in APLNG earnings, driven by higher realized prices and increased sales volumes.
• The company has a strong balance sheet, enabling an increase in the interim dividend to $0.30 per share, fully franked.
• Origin Energy Ltd (OGFGF) is making significant progress in its energy transition strategy, with 1.7 gigawatts of battery projects underway.
• Octopus Energy, a subsidiary, continues to grow, becoming the largest UK energy retailer with 13.3 million accounts.
• The company is on track to achieve a cost to serve reduction of $100 to $150 million by the 2026 financial year.

Negative Points

• Energy markets earnings were down due to lower wholesale allowances and higher coal procurement costs.
• APLNG faces challenges with declining production in certain fields, requiring increased optimization activities.
• The LNG trading business, while profitable, is expected to deliver lower benefits in FY26 compared to FY25.
• Octopus Energy's increased investment in energy services has led to a lower earnings forecast for the full year.
• There is a significant risk of gas supply shortfalls in the coming years due to declining production and capacity constraints.

Q & A Highlights

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Q: Can you provide more color on the CapEx outlook for the next couple of years, especially regarding battery investments and potential upside risks to Origin's electricity portfolio margin? A: We have not made any further commitments on batteries at the moment. We are observing the market, particularly with lithium prices coming down and durations increasing. We expect the current battery investments to yield returns of 8 to 11%, with potential upside. Our broader CapEx will focus on growth opportunities, but we are not flagging any large CapEx outside of APLNG. (Frank Calabria, CEO)

Q: How should we think about changes in APLNG's unit costs and the treatment of deferred cargo and cash distribution over the next few years? A: We still hold a $4 per gigajoule ambition based on near-term optimization activities. The deferred cargos are a cash flow impact rather than an earnings impact. We aim to progressively deliver these cargos over the next decade rather than backloading them. (Frank Calabria, CEO; Andrew Thornton, Executive General Manager, Integrated Gas)

Q: Regarding the APLNG cargo deferral, how much flexibility does the customer have in the annual delivery plan to call on those cargos? A: The customer cannot unilaterally determine the delivery profile. It will be a negotiated outcome each year, and any redelivery would come from our uncontracted gas. (Andrew Thornton, Executive General Manager, Integrated Gas)

Q: Can you provide more details on the outlook for Octopus, particularly the impact of the investment phase and expected returns? A: The investment phase is largely associated with the heat pump business, where we've invested in manufacturing and installation capacity. While not a one-off, we expect the impact to reduce over time as revenue grows. Octopus is investing with the expectation of generating returns over time. (Frank Calabria, CEO)

Q: How are you handling the competitive retail market and potential margin squeezes? A: The market has been competitive, but we've only seen a modest increase in customers on a discount. Our average discount has not changed significantly, and any modest compression in retail electricity gross margins is mostly offset by improved gas gross margins. (John Briskin, Executive General Manager, Retail)

For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.