Release Date: February 19, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Could you elaborate on the guidance for 2025 and the assumptions behind it? Do you think 2025 could be the trough for your core cash flow? A: Nicolas Joly, CEO: For 2025, we expect a net current cash flow between EUR3.40 and EUR3.60 per share. We are cautious due to the current environment. The investment division will see a decrease in rental income due to reduced index-linked rental reviews and tenant departures in 2024. The property development business is expected to return to break-even after 2024's impairments, but we remain cautious due to political uncertainties. The EUR0.67 per share from healthcare activity is estimated without future disposals.
Q: What is the expected evolution of your office occupancy rate in 2025, excluding the effect of the Pulse project? A: Nicolas Joly, CEO: We expect stabilization in the short term. The decline at the end of 2024 was expected due to tenant departures. The occupancy rate for well-positioned assets was 88% at the end of 2024, and we aim to maintain this level. Light industrial assets saw minor erosion due to standard rotation and new project deliveries.
Q: Can you discuss the dividend policy, especially excluding the healthcare business contribution? A: Nicolas Joly, CEO: The 2024 dividend includes EUR2.54 per share from the healthcare business sale. We aim to retain cash to preserve redeployment capacity and finance future growth. The remaining EUR1.77 per share corresponds to a payout ratio of about 42%, similar to last year's approach. We do not provide guidance on future dividend policies but will maintain this philosophy.
Q: How do you expect the rental income from to-be-repositioned assets to evolve over the next few years? A: Nicolas Joly, CEO: We expect these buildings to empty out over time. Out of EUR56 million of potential break options in 2025, EUR30 million comes from to-be-repositioned offices. We remain opportunistic and aim to make pragmatic deals when possible, but the primary strategy is to create liquidity through reconversion scenarios.
Q: What are your priorities between capital redeployment and debt repayment, given the slower pace of disposals? A: Nicolas Joly, CEO: Our priority is on the pipeline and diversification, focusing on value creation. We aim for investments at a cost of 6.5% with a value creation target of 15-20%. We will balance financial policy with capital redeployment, adapting the pace of investment to disposal progress and potential third-party partnerships.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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