Release Date: October 29, 2024
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: What are your latest thoughts on potentially listing part of your business as a way to realize some of the value difference? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: We have to figure out a way to get our equity price to trade where it should. It's likely a 2025 event if we consider taking any part of the company public. We're also considering other M&A opportunities.
Q: Can you provide an update on the book value in October? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: The book value is roughly $12.5.
Q: How do you see residential refinance activity trending, and was it rate-driven? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: Refinance volume increased as markets rallied in Q3, reaching about 30% of overall production. We expect a more normalized market going forward, with continued momentum in our direct lending channels.
Q: Can you discuss the potential for annual performance fees in Q4 from Sculptor? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: While I can't provide forward-looking performance fees, you should expect some in Q4. We believe Sculptor will be one of our better investments, with more AUM growth expected.
Q: In a scenario where rates continue rising, do you have the flexibility to repurpose capital from NewRez to other segments? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: Yes, everything sits in one pot, allowing us to grow earnings. If MSRs were rich, we could potentially sell them. We focus on the best ways to deploy capital across the platform.
Q: What are your perspectives on the mixed messaging around consumer credit? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: Our servicing portfolio looks in good shape, with low delinquencies. While some areas like subprime auto have rolled over, overall consumer credit remains resilient.
Q: Can you provide insights into the recent net flow picture for Sculptor and attractive growth areas? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: AUM is up a few billion, with strong performance across all platforms. We aim to scale our private credit business and see growth in real estate and multi-strategy funds.
Q: What are your expectations for sustainable operating ROEs over the long term? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: We aim for mid-10s type returns across all environments. Our mortgage business performs well, and as we grow asset management, we expect to maintain these returns.
Q: How do you view the election's implications for Rithm? A: Michael Nierenberg, CEO: A divided government might be the best outcome, limiting extreme policy changes. We focus on maintaining cash and liquidity, staying close to home from a rate perspective.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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