Release Date: November 08, 2024
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you outline or quantify how much you can rotate in terms of CLOs and real estate investments to drive an improved book return? A: M. Grier Eliasek, President and COO, explained that the CLO segment is amortizing significantly, with a current GAAP yield of about 2-3%, which is below the double-digit yields of middle market lending. By continuing to amortize the CLO book, which is now about 6% of the portfolio, they expect an earnings boost. Real estate, while a strong total return strategy, is less competitive in the current environment, so they plan to monetize and rotate into middle market lending. Additionally, they aim to exit successful middle market deals with appreciated equity to boost return on equity.
Q: What is the current strategy regarding the dividend, given its comparatively low yield on book? A: John Barry, CEO, acknowledged the dividend is more right-sized now but still low compared to book yield. The strategy involves rotating CLO equity and real estate investments into core middle market lending to improve book returns. This approach aims to enhance the dividend yield over time by focusing on higher-yielding, lower-variability investments.
Q: How does the current interest rate environment affect your investment strategy? A: M. Grier Eliasek noted that the recent 75 basis point reduction in interest rates by the Fed has been factored into their distribution declarations. The focus remains on middle market lending, which offers higher interest rate floors and better protection for yield and income compared to larger company loans. This strategy is expected to benefit from any further rate cuts.
Q: What is the current composition of your investment portfolio, and how does it reflect your strategic priorities? A: M. Grier Eliasek stated that the portfolio at fair value comprises 64.9% first lien debt, 11.1% second lien debt, 6.2% subordinated structured notes, and 17.8% unsecured debt and equity investments. The focus is on increasing first lien mix while reducing second lien and subordinated notes exposure, aligning with their strategy to emphasize senior secured middle market loans.
Q: How are you managing your balance sheet and liquidity to capitalize on opportunities? A: Kristin Van Dask, CFO, highlighted their prudent leverage and diversified access to funding. They have $1.5 billion in combined balance sheet cash and undrawn revolving credit facility commitments. With 64% of their portfolio as unencumbered assets and a ladder of liabilities extending 28 years, they are well-positioned to capitalize on attractive opportunities.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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