Release Date: November 12, 2024
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you touch on the amount of spillover you've built up and your approach to managing it? A: Jonathan Bock, Co-Chief Executive Officer: Our spillover is about $1.82 per share, which is over two quarters' worth of dividends or around 5% of NAV. Spillover magnifies returns on the way up and can also magnify losses if nonaccruals increase. Our focus is on maintaining adequate spillover while generating attractive returns.
Q: In a normalized M&A environment, how much could increased deal activity add to earnings? A: Brad Marshall, Co-Chief Executive Officer: Increased M&A activity can drive earnings by allowing us to take leverage higher and accelerate fee income from quicker loan turnover. While I won't provide an exact figure, you can estimate based on a 20%-25% turnover in the portfolio and average fees of about two points.
Q: Why doesn't the platform operate at a higher leverage ratio given its high-quality portfolio? A: Brad Marshall, Co-Chief Executive Officer: We prioritize maintaining a strong credit rating, which benefits us through tighter bond spreads and lower financing costs. Our focus is on minimizing losses rather than chasing higher spreads, which is crucial for maximizing long-term returns.
Q: What gives you confidence in a super cycle for M&A activity in 2025? A: Brad Marshall, Co-Chief Executive Officer: The primary changes are lower rates and spreads, improving the cost of capital, and a better economic outlook. Additionally, private equity sponsors have significant dry powder, and there's a need for portfolio turnover. Conversations with bankers and sponsors confirm our positive outlook.
Q: Are you seeing any trends in terms documentation for recent originations? A: Teddy Desloge, Chief Financial Officer: We've maintained strong deployment opportunities with about 75% of activity where we were the sole or lead lender. Documentation focuses on collateral protections and EBITDA add-backs, which are crucial for maintaining recovery rates.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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