Release Date: January 30, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you explain the hedge performance this quarter and any changes in strategy? A: Daniel Perotti, CFO, explained that the hedge performed as expected in terms of insulation from market rate changes. They adjusted the hedge ratio to 90%-100% as rates increased. The negative impact was due to hedge costs and excess prepayments, which were higher than projected.
Q: What rate environment is considered in the 2025 ROE guidance? A: Daniel Perotti, CFO, stated that the guidance assumes a rate environment similar to current levels, without significant declines. If rates rally, operating ROEs could rise to the 20s or higher.
Q: How is PennyMac preparing for potential changes in GSE conservatorship? A: David Spector, CEO, emphasized their strategy to manage a range of outcomes. They are positioned to leverage PMT for credit-related investments and securitizations, and they are prepared to adapt to changes in the GSE footprint.
Q: What factors could drive operating ROE to the high teens in 2025? A: Daniel Perotti, CFO, mentioned efficiencies in servicing operations and scale as key factors. They expect operating ROE to drift upwards even if rates remain high, due to ongoing process improvements and automation.
Q: How are you addressing the unsecured debt maturity in October 2025? A: Daniel Perotti, CFO, stated that they plan to enter the unsecured market in 2025 to address the maturity and increase the proportion of unsecured debt, aligning with their capital planning objectives.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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