Release Date: January 28, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you discuss the potential magnitude of equity issuance this year and your thoughts on balance sheet size? A: Peter Federico, President and CEO, explained that AGNC will continue to approach capital issuance opportunistically, focusing on accretion benefits and book value for shareholders. There is no need to grow for the sake of growing, and decisions will be made based on market conditions and shareholder benefits.
Q: How do you calculate the ROE when using treasury futures versus swaps? A: Peter Federico noted that the net spread and dollar roll income only includes swap-based hedges. Treasury-based hedges have less carry compared to swaps due to current swap spreads. AGNC uses a blend of treasury and swap-based hedges to optimize returns, with current coupon spreads to swaps ranging from 160 to 180 basis points.
Q: What is your outlook on the dividend, considering the current economic environment? A: Peter Federico stated that AGNC evaluates the total cost of capital against expected returns. With current spreads, AGNC expects gross ROEs between 17% and 18.5%, aligning well with their total cost of capital, supporting the current dividend level.
Q: Can you explain the increase in the hedge ratio during the fourth quarter? A: Peter Federico explained that the hedge ratio was increased to 91% due to expected interest rate volatility around the presidential election. The strategy was to maintain a stable duration gap, anticipating that long-term rates would remain stable.
Q: What is your view on Agency MBS demand from banks and money managers? A: Peter Federico highlighted that the supply of Agency MBS in 2025 is expected to be similar to 2024, with stable demand from money managers and potential increased demand from banks due to less onerous regulation.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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