Release Date: February 11, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: What are the bigger drivers in Credit and Solutions for 2025, and when do you expect to come back to market with the next Global Private Equity fund? A: John Redett, CFO, explained that the 6% FRE growth is a base case, reflecting aggressive investment in growth areas like Wealth, Credit, and Solutions. He highlighted strong growth in asset-backed business and CLO business, with potential upside in Wealth growth, Capital Markets fees, and Insurance flows. The next US buyout fund is expected to launch in late 2025, with fee activation in 2026.
Q: How are you thinking about capital return and buybacks given the optimistic outlook for realizations? A: John Redett stated that Carlyle repurchased roughly 12 million shares in 2024 and has $850 million left on the authorization. They view stock buybacks as attractive and will continue to be active in 2025, balancing this with investing in business growth and potential M&A.
Q: Can you explain the negative mark in fee-paying AUM and its impact? A: John Redett noted that the fourth quarter had some noise, including a $6 billion mark to market in credit market activity and $3 billion in FX movement, which had no economic impact. Despite this, Carlyle has $23 billion in pending fee-earning AUM, expected to contribute $200 million annually.
Q: What are the key areas of investment for 2025, and how do you see G&A expenses evolving? A: John Redett highlighted investments in Wealth, Credit, and Solutions, with Wealth headcount expected to grow by 50% in 2025. G&A expenses were up 4% in 2024, with some seasonality and one-off items in Q4. He expects Q1 2025 to be similar to Q4 2024, with FRE growth accelerating throughout the year.
Q: What is the outlook for the BDC merger and the broader direct lending platform? A: John Redett mentioned that the BDC merger will close in late Q1 or early Q2, positively impacting management fees and FRE. Carlyle is investing in the direct lending business, which has strong performance but lacks the scale of peers, presenting upside potential.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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