Release Date: February 10, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: With the announced NGL terminal and rail car transactions, how should we think about the annual run rate EBITDA of your remaining assets in liquid logistics following these transactions? A: Historically, that segment has four main components: wholesale propane, biodiesel, marketing, and Centennial business. The wind down of biodiesel and the wholesale transaction represents about 15% to 20% of our EBITDA for that business unit historically. However, it's too early to provide specific numbers as we are still exploring additional opportunities.
Q: Regarding the crude oil logistics segment, how should we think about the growth trajectory to achieve the 100,000 barrel mark you referenced? A: We suggest waiting for our fiscal '26 guidance to quantify that. The volume increase is expected to be 50%, so you could potentially add 50% of this year's EBITDA to our numbers.
Q: It sounds like the majority of your asset sale proceeds and free cash flow are going to pay down the ABL balance. What metrics are you looking for before addressing the principal on the Series D preferreds? A: Yes, proceeds will go straight to the ABL. We are focusing on continued deleveraging. Assuming a repeatable transaction like this year, we might consider Class D redemption in the back half of fiscal '26, but this is not signaling another deal is lined up.
Q: What assets are left in the liquid logistics business post these divestitures, and which are the primary sources of cash flow? A: Remaining assets include Ambassador (a propane pipeline in Michigan), Chesapeake (a butane export facility), and terminals in Port Hudson and West Point, Virginia. Wholesale propane was the only unit with hard assets.
Q: Could you comment on the relative profitability of the volumes related to Lex 2 compared to existing assets? A: Lex 2 is performing as expected, but there are no additional contracts signed as a result of Lex 2 at this time.
Q: Regarding water logistics volumes, should we consider the decline as seasonal? A: We observed a slowdown over the holidays, which was more pronounced in 2024 compared to 2023. This could be due to operational factors rather than strictly seasonal ones. However, volumes are already rebounding in the first calendar quarter of the year.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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