Release Date: February 10, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you discuss your margin outlook and whether you believe you can continue driving margins higher to the mid-40% range on an annual basis and beyond? Is there a cap on margins over the long term? A: Michael Sacks, CEO: We've had strong operating leverage and significant FRE margin improvement over the last several years. We believe we have continued operating leverage and FRE margin expansion ahead of us. While there might be a cap eventually, we see room to grow margins over the next several years as we aim to double our FRE from 2023.
Q: Could you talk about the expected cadence of fundraising for 2025? You mentioned some funds closing in the first quarter, but is there anything else worth calling out on a quarter-to-quarter basis? A: Jonathan Levin, President: We expect 2025 to be better than 2024, with a strong pipeline and re-up calendar. While it's challenging to predict exact quarterly outcomes due to potential delays, we feel confident about the overall year being stronger than the previous one.
Q: How should we see the conversion from pipeline to fee-paying AUM look in 2025? Will there be a pick-up given better market conditions? A: Michael Sacks, CEO: The conversion depends on whether funds are ramped, pay on committed, or pay as invested. We've consistently had a mix of these types, and while specifics can vary, we expect continued conversion aligned with historical patterns.
Q: Are you seeing a change in the reception or the nature of the dialogue with customers in the absolute return business? A: Michael Sacks, CEO: Good performance has positively changed the dialogue. The pipeline is solid, and the outlook for the business is strong, with more optimism than in recent years.
Q: Can you provide more color on the retail vehicles launched, particularly regarding distribution channels and marketing efforts? A: Michael Sacks, CEO: We launched our infrastructure fund with significant anchor capital and a specified portfolio. While we don't expect significant revenue in 2025, we see potential for growth by 2028. Initially, the marketing focus is on the RIA space, with plans to expand into wirehouses and other channels over time.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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