Release Date: February 14, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you provide more detail on the new 5-rated assets and the potential for further downgrades? A: Stephen Alpart, Chief Investment Officer, explained that the Louisville Student Housing Property was downgraded due to an arbitration process that concluded unfavorably. The Miami Beach office asset was taken over due to the previous owner's undercapitalization. The company reviews risk ratings and reserves quarterly and feels comfortable with the current assessments.
Q: What is the rationale for potentially leveraging REO assets? A: Jack Taylor, CEO, stated that leveraging REO assets is a strategy to maintain and build liquidity, not because of any immediate liquidity needs. This approach provides flexibility as the company works through loan resolutions.
Q: Is there an opportunity to refinance or improve financing on your CLOs? A: Jack Taylor noted that while there is potential to refinance CLOs, it is not imminent. The company plans to take advantage of the improving CLO market towards the end of the year, potentially combining existing assets with new originations.
Q: How many 4-rated loans are currently in the portfolio? A: Stephen Alpart reported that at year-end, there were four loans rated 4, with an unpaid principal balance of just under $170 million.
Q: Why not cut the dividend and focus on taking more assets into REO for potential value creation? A: Jack Taylor explained that the dividend decision is made by the Board, and the company expects to cover the dividend as resolutions and prepayments occur. Regarding REO, the company has maintained valuable liabilities and, in some cases, acquired a percentage of future recovery upside by working with borrowers.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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