Participants

Winnie Smith; Vice President-Investor Relations; Global Payments Inc

Cameron Bready; President, Chief Executive Officer, Director; Global Payments Inc

Joshua Whipple; Chief Financial Officer, Senior Executive Vice President; Global Payments Inc

Bob Cortopassi; President and Chief Operating Officer; Global Payments Inc

Darrin Peller; Analyst; Wolfe Research, LLC

Jason Kupferberg; Analyst; BofA Global Research)

Ramsey El-Assal; Analyst; Barclays

Tien-tsin Huang; Analyst; J.P. Morgan

David Koning; Analyst; Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc.

James Faucette; Analyst; Morgan Stanley

Harrison Vivas; Analyst; TD Cowen

Dan Perlin; Analyst; RBC Capital Markets (Canada)

Vasundhara Govil; Analyst; Keefe, Bruyette & Woods North America

Presentation

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Global Payments fourth-quarter and full-year 2024 earnings conference Call. (Operator Instructions) And as a reminder, today's conference will be recorded.
At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to your host, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Winnie Smith. Please go ahead.

Winnie Smith

Good morning, and welcome to Global Payments fourth-quarter and full-year 2024 conference call. Our earnings release and the slides that accompany this call can be found on the Investor Relations area of our website at www.globalpayments.com.
Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that some of the comments made by management during today's conference call contain forward-looking statements about, among other matters, expected operating and financial results. These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors, including the impact of economic conditions on our future operations, that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations.
Certain risk factors inherent in our business are set forth in the SEC including our most recent 10-K and subsequent filings. We caution you not to place undue reliance on these statements. Forward-looking statements during this call speak only as of the date of this call, and we undertake no obligation to update them.
We will also be referring to several non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are more reflective of our ongoing performance. For a full reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures discussed in this call to the most comparable GAAP measures, in accordance with SEC regulations, please see our press release furnished as an exhibit to our Form 8-K filed this morning and our supplemental material available on the Investor Relations section of our website.
Joining me on the call is our CEO, Cameron Bready, our President; and COO, Bob Cortopassi; and our CFO, Josh Whipple. Now I'll turn the call over to Cameron.

Cameron Bready

Thanks, Winnie, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We are proud of all that we accomplished in 2024. It was a pivotal year for Global Payments as we saw our broad transformation agenda to set the future course for our business, while also delivered strong operational and financial performance. We started our transformation journey by reimagining our mission, vision and values, to provide the organization with a clear view of our priority and desired culture, setting the foundation for us to pursue our ambition to be the worldwide partner of choice for commerce solutions.
We then refreshed our strategy to focus our efforts and investments in the area of the business that will drive the most attractive opportunities for growth and where we are best positioned to compete and win. From there, we undertook a holistic review of our business to determine how to best position the organization to execute against a focused strategy and deliver sustainable performance.
We used the first principles approach to examining growth drivers, market positioning, go-to-market capabilities, product portfolios and the potential to optimize our assets. This review led to a realignment of our operating model and business structure, as well as the operational transformation program that we described at our investor conference in September.
We are continuing to execute against a significant number of initiatives that will create meaningful benefits and provide us with incremental capacity for reinvestment to drive growth and, quite simply, run the business. While executing on our transformation, we have continued to deliver strong financial performance.
For the fourth quarter, we produced 6.5% constant currency growth, excluding dispositions, including over 7% in the Merchant business and 3% in our Issuer business, an acceleration sequentially from Q3 and consistent with the outlook we provided in October.
And for the full year, we delivered 6% adjusted net revenue growth, record adjusted operating margins and double-digit adjusted earnings per share growth, consistent with our initial outlook detailed at the beginning of 2024 despite the incremental FX headwinds absorbed. We also generated roughly $3 billion of adjusted free cash flow and returned $1.8 billion to shareholders, including proceeds from the recent divestiture of our AdvancedMD business.
Our consistent performance throughout the year highlights the durability of our model and benefits of our sharpened focus as we execute on our strategic priorities. In our Merchant segment, our POS and software business continues to deliver strong results. Our POS solutions are robust and are winning in the restaurant and retail verticals, as evidenced by the high teens new locations growth we achieved in 2024.
Our POS growth benefited from the strong performance of our direct channel in North America, where notably we saw a roughly 25% increase in the annual recurring revenue opportunity with new customers. And we could not be more excited about the significant opportunity ahead as we consolidate our products and platforms under the Genius brand and extend them globally.
Notably, we expanded our relationship with one of the largest multinational QSRs in the fourth quarter to include drive-through solutions in addition to our existing kitchen management partnership that spans several thousand locations in North America. We also expanded our long-standing partnership as the primary technology partner for Warner Burger, which now includes Cloud POS, Kiosk and menu boards.
Additionally, we continue to have success in the stadium and events vertical and are excited to have reached an agreement with Highcatch Sports Park, Hong Kong's new state-of-the-art multipurpose sports and entertainment venue.
We also renewed and expanded our POS partnership with a multinational entertainment company to support its major events in the UK and Ireland over a multiyear period. Importantly, our relationship will now include our loyalty solutions, enabling reward offers and personalized experiences for event attendees.
Other notable new stadium POS relationships achieved in 2024 include the Newcastle, Birmingham City, Nottingham Farms Football Clubs, as well as an expanded partnership with Black Pool, which now includes PayLink solutions, ticketing services, kiosk and QR code ordering in addition to POS and payments.
Of course, we executed a new partnership with Diamond Baseball Holdings to serve as the official commerce technology partner for its Minor League Baseball franchises in the United States and Canada earlier in 2024. We remain on track to be fully rolled out with our solutions in an additional 19 ballparks across Diamond Club's portfolio for a total of 32 before the 2025 season opens in April.
In our education business, new sales with university customers increased more than 30% in 2024, including a number of new significant international wins across the UK and Ireland as well as in Canada. We also added 113 new K-12 adult school districts this year, a roughly 20% increase from 2023. And with the addition of the Los Angeles Unified School District, we now have relationships with the three largest school districts in the United States.
In the real estate vertical, we signed more than 800 new property management customers during the year, while also expanding our partnerships with leading real estate software platform providers, like MRI Software, Rent Manager and AppFolio, which will allow us to cross-sell additional product services to their customers.
Turning to Integrated embedded, new ISV partner signings increased 34% across our integrated payments offerings in 2024 compared to the prior year. Notably, we also added 165 international ISV partnerships across the UK, Asia, Australia and LatAm, as we seek to better align our activities and capabilities globally.
We also recently expanded our relationship with PayPal to simplify and accelerate the checkout experience by integrating its fast lane solution into our platform, furthering our efforts to deliver embedded commerce solutions. This collaboration extends the payment choices we can offer across the US, allowing our customers to enhance their digital experiences for their consumers.
Moving to core payments. Our focus on forming deeper relationships with commerce enablement and outstanding services, driving significant opportunities with both new and existing partners globally. We continue to make strong progress with Commerzbank in Germany and have already onboarded over 2,000 merchants since the inception of our joint venture midyear.
Additionally, we saw double-digit growth in other key geographies, including Central Europe, Poland and Greece in 2024, as well as in LatAm, where we benefit from strong secular payment trends in Mexico. Shifting to Issuer Solutions, we were pleased with our operational execution throughout the year. We successfully completed 17 customer implementations in 2024 and ended the year with record traditional accounts on file of $885 million.
We continue to have a strong conversion pipeline of more than 70 million accounts that extends well into 2026, as well as an additional six letters of intent with institutions worldwide. In 2024, we completed 17 multi-year renewals and new customer partnerships. This includes contracts with KeyBank, Foreign Financial and Van City executed in the fourth quarter.
In addition to significant agreements with Navy Federal Credit Union, Virgin Money, Citizens, NatWest and several other premier global clients that we announced earlier this year. And over the last few years, we've renewed 15 of our top 20 clients, reflecting the strength of our partnerships and providing us good visibility and stability going forward.
We also continue to make substantial progress with our technology modernization program. Development of our client-facing applications was completed in the fourth quarter, consistent with our plan, and we remain on track for full commercial launch in 2025. We have more than a dozen pilots in progress with existing customers, and are on track to have 33 client pilots in production this year.
We recently achieved certification of our cloud authorization platform with Visa and Mastercard. By the end of 2025, we'll be exclusively selling cloud capabilities, paving the way for widespread adoption of these modernized solutes. Across the business, our ambitious transformation agenda will enable us to deliver our rich portfolio of capabilities and solutions through all of our channels in a more frictionless way. While still early days, we are already making great progress across three primary focus areas.
First, as we discussed at our investor conference, we have identified meaningful opportunities to streamline and simplify the business. In December, we successfully closed on the sale of AdvancedMD we announced last quarter. Further, we're in the process of exiting several small markets in Asia Pacific this quarter, where we are subscale and see limited opportunity for expansion.
With these actions, we have exited a little more than $300 million of the $500 million to $600 million of adjusted net revenue we targeted through our portfolio review. We are pleased with how these initiatives position us to better focus on where we are differentiated and have the right to win, and are continuing to advance other targeted divestitures and exits that will further streamline our business.
We have also completed other initiatives designed to simplify our business structure. During the fourth quarter, we successfully acquired CaixaBank stake in our joint venture with Erste Group. This business has achieved exceptional growth over the past decade, and we are excited about the opportunity to capture more of the economics going forward, while simplifying our pan-European operations and governance.
We also recently reached an agreement to purchase HSBC stake in our joint venture in Mexico. This creates the opportunity to combine our two existing businesses in Mexico, allowing us to harmonize our go-to-market strategy, drive scale, amplify investments and increase efficiencies.
Second, we are working to fully unlock the growth potential of our best capabilities, while leveraging all of our distribution networks across the globe. To accomplish this, we have reoriented our business under a single unified operating model and have successfully consolidated our technology teams under common leadership, centralized our operating functions and have unified our Merchant Solutions business into a homogeneous worldwide organization.
This better positions us to harmonize our best products and capabilities globally, including aligning our point-of-sale solutions under a common brand, Genius. We now completed the full branding work on Genius and will launch our solutions for the restaurant and retail verticals in the US beginning in the second quarter.
Notably, we will go live with our Genius restaurant solutions for small-to-medium-sized customers this May, in tandem with the National Restaurant Association Conference. Simultaneously, we will also launch our Genius retail solution for SMB businesses.
In September, we will extend the retail offering to additional sub-verticals and introduced the Genius enterprise restaurant solution at the Foodservice Technology Conference, which is attended by more than 100 of the leading QSR and restaurant chains. We will begin rolling out Genius international markets in the second half of the year, including in Canada, Mexico, the UK, Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. In early 2026, we will bring Genius to additional markets, including Ireland and Spain, followed by Romania, Poland and Australia, shortly thereafter.
We're also making progress converging our technology capabilities across our POS platform. And by the end of the year, solutions such as online ordering and delivery, accounting applications, marketing and loyalty, service vertical functionality, and third-party integrations will be ubiquitously available from a common platform across our Genius offerings.
Additionally, we're already driving synergies by leveraging a number of common capabilities. This includes aligning our hardware platforms, streamlining invoicing, consolidating support functions and reducing SKUs. As we converge our platforms over time, we have set the road map to migrate customers using legacy platforms to Genius.
We defined upgrade paths that will provide for a seamless transition to a best-of-breed cloud solution that will delight merchants and their customers, while also providing us with significant cross-sell and upsell opportunities. We also intend to fully leverage our distribution channels to extend our Genius POS solutions globally.
Our sales teams, dealers and FI and wholesale partners have already had extensive opportunities to preview Genius, and the reception has been overwhelmingly positive with significant excitement about the upcoming launch. Another important initiative we are pursuing is our Sales Force of the Future program, which started with our direct sales teams in the US and will extend to international regions later this year.
This includes upscaling and retooling our sales organization, aligning incentives to accelerate cross-selling, reimagining our marketing and lead generation efforts, enhancing underwriting and onboarding process, and improving our approach to provisioning and activating new merchants. As part of this, we have already rolled out a modernized and revamped competition plan in our FI partner channel and to our POS sales organization. We are extending this plan to additional US sales teams over the course of the year.
Our strategic focus on delivering a full suite of differentiated software and commerce enablement solutions across our business. As one example, in Issuer Solutions, we launched several key strategic partnerships in the fourth quarter, including with Engaged People, Blackhawk Network, and one of the largest global technology companies that will serve to advance our loyalty platform capabilities to enhance distribution an extended point accumulation and redemption options.
And third, we will leverage our technology leadership to be a more nimble and agile business while increasing our efficiency and effectiveness. As I previously noted, we have consolidated all of our technology organizations and teams under a common leadership. Our technology development and operations were fragmented, resulting in duplication of effort and investments, a lack of standardized tools and practices and a somewhat inefficient operating environment.
With this change, we're becoming a more nimble and agile organization with a customer and product-centric mindset focused on speed and quality of product development. To support these efforts, we recently completed a small transaction to acquire a modern, real-time processing and orchestration platform. This technology allows us to leverage and distribute products more easily across multiple platforms and geographies seamlessly, increasing our speed to market and accelerating progress towards our target architectural model.
It also allows us to eliminate certain third-party providers and streamline our technology operating environments globally. We are already leveraging the platform in Central Europe and Germany and will extend this technology architecture across all of our European markets over the next 6 to 12 months. Across the company, we are also focused on improving cycle times for new product development and enhancing productivity.
This evolution includes modernizing developer tools, including GenAI supported software development, as well as standardizing tooling and lending processes changes to better identify customer needs and accelerate product launches. Early results have already shown double-digit productivity improvements in developers leveraging our GenAI Code Assist tool and a near 10% reduction in code employment time utilizing our modernized tool sets.
We anticipate beginning to realize the benefits of these efforts in the second half of the year. The majority of process and technology enhancements in place by year-end to support our identified priorities. Further, we are continuing to invest in driving differentiation through service. We have multiple programs underway that leverage GenAI to enhance support offerings for customers.
This includes an initiative to replace our global support center software solution to modernize call flows, expand omnichannel and digital engagements, increase agent routing and incorporate AI-powered knowledge management. This will allow our support center teams to improve response times and enhance customer experience by better leveraging automation.
We expect to have the new platform fully implemented by the fourth quarter of 2025. Given the early milestones we've achieved and our ongoing progress, we are now expecting our operational transformation initiatives to unlock more than $600 million of annual run rate operating income benefit by the first half of 2027. This is an increase from our initial outlook of more than $500 million.
I could not be more pleased with the performance of our team members whose passion, ingenuity and relentless pursuit of excellence enabled our success over the last 12 months. As we begin 2025, I remain confident we were doing all the right things to unify and streamline our business, invigorate our go-to-market equities, leverage our best products and capabilities, and amplify our investments to unlock value and position our business for sustainable growth and success. Josh?

Joshua Whipple

Thanks, Cameron. We are pleased with our financial performance in the fourth quarter and for the full year, which were consistent with our expectations. I'm particularly proud that we delivered these results while simultaneously executing on our transformation agenda.
Starting with the full year 2024. We delivered adjusted net revenue of $9.15 billion, an increase of 6% from the prior year, which includes slightly less than 1 point headwind from currency and the disposition of AdvancedMD.
Adjusted operating margin for the full year improved 40 basis points to 45%. The net result was adjusted earnings per share of $11.55, an increase of 11% compared to the full year 2023. For the fourth quarter, we delivered adjusted net revenue of $2.29 billion, an increase of 5%. On a constant currency basis, excluding dispositions, adjusted net revenue increased approximately 6.5%.
Adjusted operating margin for the quarter increased 40 basis points to 45.2%. The net result was adjusted earnings per share of $2.95, an increase of 11% or 12% on a constant currency basis. Taking a closer look at performance by segment. Merchant Solutions achieved adjusted net revenue of $1.76 billion for the fourth quarter, reflecting growth of 6% or more than 7% on a constant currency basis, excluding dispositions.
As Cameron noted, we closed our AdvancedMD disposition in December, which is roughly 1 point of impact in the quarter. This performance represents an acceleration compared to the third quarter, consistent with our expectations, driven by our POS and software and integrated and embedded businesses, both of which achieved high single-digit growth during the period.
Starting with POS and software, new cloud POS solution from SMB customers that launched midyear and our rebranding of Genius drove a roughly 35% increase and new POS rooftops in the fourth quarter over the prior year period. This strong demand is being driven by the new software bundles, countertop hardware choices and embedded commerce enablement solutions available through the platform, which includes a leading new feature functionality such as our virtual terminal offering, cash discounting surcharging solution, paid by tax elink capabilities, order ahead and invoicing solutions, to name a few.
Turning to the integrated and embedded channel, our ISV business added 76 new ISV partners during the fourth quarter with 32 of these wins achieved in international regions. Several of the larger software partners we signed this quarter include (inaudible) in the salon vertical, DRX in Pharmacy Management, and Chamber Nation, which provides member management, automation and digital media solutions.
Our core payments business delivered mid-single-digit growth for the fourth quarter on a constant currency basis, with several international businesses notable bright spots. Specifically, Central Europe, Poland, Greece and LatAm achieved double-digit growth as we continue to benefit from the strong secular payment trends in these markets.
We delivered an adjusted operating margin of 48.3% in the Merchant segment, an increase of 60 basis points compared to the prior year. This performance reflects strong execution on a refocused strategy and ongoing synergy realization from the acquisition of Eagle Payments. We've now executed our targeted expense synergies from EVO and on track to achieve $135 million in annual run rate expense synergies as anticipated.
Our Issuer Solutions business produced adjusted net revenue of $542 million for the fourth quarter, reflecting growth of 3% on a constant currency basis, largely driven by a 200 basis point sequential improvement in transaction volumes. This was led by strength in consumer card transactions, consistent with the trends highlighted by several of our large FI partners this quarter.
Commercial card volumes remain largely consistent with the trends that we saw in the third quarter as corporates continue to take a more cautious approach to spending. Separately, we've seen more of a return to normalcy in terms of product and service investment by bank customers, and continue to have a healthy implementation pipeline in 2025.
We added a total of 26 million traditional accounts on file this quarter, largely driven by the growth with the existing customers. Our strategy of aligning with market share winners continues to drive benefits, and our near record implementation pipeline and the completion of our renewal cycle with many of our large customers gives us confidence in the growth outlook for the business going forward.
Moving to our B2B portfolio. The core mid-market segment for our AP automation solutions continues to make solid bookings in the quarter, albeit at a slightly moderated pace earlier in the year due to macro trends. Additionally, in our pay card business, we continued to see softer hiring trends in the segments of the market we serve, which again negatively impacted growth this quarter by nearly a point.
Finally, Issuer Solutions delivered an adjusted operating margin of 46.9%. This improved sequentially from our third quarter performance, largely driven by better volumes, but represented a modest decline compared to the prior year period, as we continue to lap strong margin expansion we realized in this business last year while also embedding in modernization.
From a cash flow standpoint, we've reduced strong adjusted free cash flow for the quarter of approximately $814 million, representing roughly 110% conversion rate of adjusted net income to adjusted free cash flow. For the full year, adjusted free cash flow was $2.7 billion, representing a roughly 95% conversion rate of adjusted net income to adjusted free cash flow, consistent with our guidance.
We invested $184 million in capital expenditures during the quarter, $675 million for the full year, equating to roughly 7% of revenue, which was in line with our guidance. Our net leverage position decreased to 3.2 times at the end of the fourth quarter and is now consistent with our long-term target as forecasted.
In connection with the closing of the AdvancedMD transaction in December, we repaid $500 million in senior notes that matured in the quarter and returned $650 million to shareholders through our accelerated share repurchase plan and additional open market purchases. For the full year, we repurchased 12.7 million shares for $1.5 billion or roughly 5% of our shares outstanding.
Our balance sheet remains extremely healthy, and we ended the period with $3.8 billion of available liquidity. Our total indebtedness is 100% fixed, with a weighted average cost of debt of 3.36%. Turning to the outlook for 2025. We are pleased with how our business is positioned as we execute against our refocused strategy and our expectations are consistent with the medium-term outlook we provided at our investor conference in September.
Specifically, we currently expect constant currency adjusted net revenue growth of 5% to 6% over 2024, excluding dispositions. We expect dispositions will impact reported adjusted net revenue by over 300 basis points. We are forecasting annual adjusted operating margin to expand approximately 50 basis points for 2025, excluding the effect of dispositions.
To provide color at the segment level, we expect our Merchant business to deliver adjusted net revenue growth of roughly 6% on a constant currency basis, excluding dispositions for the full year. We expect roughly 50 basis points of adjusted operating margin expense for the business, excluding dispositions in 2025.
Moving to Issuer Solutions. We're anticipating adjusted net revenue growth in roughly 4% range on a constant currency basis for the full year compared to 2024. We anticipate adjusted operating margin for the Issuer business to expand by approximately 50 basis points in 2025.
In terms of quarterly phasing, we expect modestly higher growth in the second half relative to the first half of the year as our transformation initiatives ramp and as we lap the renewal cycle with many of our large issuer customers and see increased benefits from conversion activity over the course of 2025.
Moving to a couple of non-operating items. We currently expect net interest expense to be roughly $500 million this year, and for our adjusted effective tax rate to be approximately 19%. We're also planning for our capital expenditures to be around $780 million in 2025 or approximately 8% of revenue, which is consistent with the outlook we provided at our investor conference.
We anticipate adjusted free cash flow conversion to be greater than 90% for the full year, which again is in line with the expectations we outlined in September. Regarding capital allocation, we expect to return approximately $2 billion to shareholders during the year. To that end, we are entering into an accelerated share repurchase plan for $250 million.
If we execute additional divestitures in 2025, the proceeds will be used to further enhance shareholder returns. We also plan to further reduce our indebtedness during the year. Putting it all together, we expect adjusted earnings per share growth for the full year to be in the range of 10% to 11% on a constant currency basis. We expect adjusted earnings per share growth to be consistent with the quarterly phasing dynamics I detailed in my earlier remarks.
This 2025 guidance is the same as the outlook we provided at our investor conference in September and reflects the strategic initiatives we are undertaking through our transformation in addition to a stable macro environment. With significant recent strengthening of the US dollar, we now expect currency to be a headwind of roughly 175 basis points, both adjusted net revenue and adjusted earnings per share.
Finally, as you may recall at our investor conference, we mentioned we have been evaluating our reporting structure, including how to treat items like stock-based compensation. Beginning in the first quarter, we will include share-based compensation expense and our adjusted results to better align our convention with our peers.
We will update our reporting accordingly at that time, however, we do not expect any change to the growth outlook that we provided today. Additionally, we also plan to change the presentation of cash flows for settlement assets and obligations and certain funds held for customers, moving the changes in items from operating to financing cash flows similar to the convention recently adopted by certain of our peers.
In summary, we are pleased with the progress we've made since beginning our transformation. Our focus remains simplifying our operations, strengthening our core businesses, and returning capital to shareholders. And we are confident that we have good forward momentum as we execute against our refocused strategy.
And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Cameron.

Cameron Bready

Thanks, Josh. We accomplished a great deal over the past year and are very much on track with our ambitious transformation journey. In 2025, we will execute and complete much of our transformation agenda, positioning us to accelerate growth and deliver on the medium-term financial goals we established in September.
We are changing for the better, playing to our competitive strengths, leveraging what we already have and focusing our energy and investments on the most attractive opportunities where we can differentiate in the market. As we enter the next chapter of our growth journey, we strongly believe we are poised to capture and unlock significant value with our renewed strategic focus and clarity.
We have an enviable portfolio of assets delivering sustainable organic top line growth in a significant untapped TAM. Our transformation is unleashing an already successful business to deliver all of our solutions to all of our channels in a more frictionless way and drive higher return on invested capital.
And we are committed to shareholder value creation, targeting returns of $7.5 billion over the next three years. We're exactly on track with where we want to be in our transformation, and remain as enthusiastic as ever about the future of the business. Winnie?

Winnie Smith

Thanks, Cameron. (Event Instructions) Thank you.
Operator, we'll now go to questions.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

Thank you.
(Operator Instructions)
Darrin Peller, Wolfe Research.

Darrin Peller

Guys, thanks for the help. Just maybe start off with your early evidence of the progress you're seeing on some of the initiatives you're making. I know you touched on the time line you expect on Genius, that was really helpful. But maybe give us a sense of two things. One is the initiatives you see some evidence of working already. I know it's only been about a quarter or so since the Investor Day, but any progress there?
And then really more importantly, the cadence we can expect throughout the year, specifically in the Merchant growth rate, so we can help understand where we expect the trajectory where there's a bottom? And then where you expect the reacceleration?

Cameron Bready

Yeah, Darrin, it's Cameron. I'll jump in and start. So it's a great question. Look, I would tell you, from my perspective, I'm pretty pleased with some of the early evidence we're seeing in terms of the benefits that our transformation is driving in our business. I'll start with one of the most obvious areas, which is just the level of collaboration we've been able to drive across the organization.
Certainly, in our Merchant business, more particularly as we've been able to harmonize and create a more homogeneous operating model for the Merchant Solutions segment. We have teams that are now working together, collaborating together, engaging together to unlock, I think, vast opportunities around products and capabilities that exist in different parts of the business that, frankly, some of them didn't have or weren't aware, we can make available in different markets around the globe.
So the level of collaboration and the commercial dialogue that that's driving and some of the opportunities that we've been able to already bring to conclusion, as a result of that, I think albeit small, are very encouraging.
The second area is as we continue to harmonize operating environments and technology environments, I think the opportunity we see for operating income benefits, as evidenced by the increase in the overall target we provided today, is more meaningful probably than we initially anticipated as we started on this transformation journey.
So as we work to bring our operating environments together, we're finding far more opportunity for efficiencies and scale and the ability to leverage capabilities across all aspects of our business, Merchant and Issuer in particular, to drive better comes for our clients in terms of the experience they're able to have and obviously, our ability to deliver that in an efficient and effective manner.
From a technology perspective, standardizing tools, harmonizing, software development life cycles, how we think about product development and collaboration with the business. All of that is yielding what I think will be a more efficient, more effective and productive technology organization, better able to support the needs of the business, able to deliver new product and software capabilities more quickly.
All of which, ultimately, will drive for, again, a better scaled environment and quicker speed to revenue around new product and software delivery in the business. So I'd say overall, the early evidence is incredibly positive around the things that we're doing. Obviously, it's hard work. And I don't want to lose sight of that as we continue to progress through our transformation journey.
We're making a lot of change in our organization. It is a little bit disruptive at times and it's a tremendous amount of efforts from the leadership team down through the organization to bring about the change that we're trying to drive. But certainly, all evidence thus far would suggest we're on the right path. And the benefits in terms of how we run the business and the benefits economically we expected to achieve from this journey are certainly proving to be real, and the early wins are encouraging.

Darrin Peller

Cameron, thanks. And just a quick follow-up -- yeah, go ahead on the timing or that's exactly right.

Cameron Bready

Yeah. It's a good question on the timing of revenue. I think as I look at 2025, what we would expect is as we get to the back half of the year, we'll start to see some of the benefits materialize as a top line revenue matter from the initiatives that we're pursuing, particularly in the Merchant segment.
There's also likely to be a little bit in the Issuer segment as well, more in the back half of 2025 as some of the opportunities start to ramp. In the front half, I would say we've accommodated for a little bit of modest (inaudible) as it relates to just pushing all of these changes through the organization.
We talked a little bit around the timing of our Genius POS release being second quarter, third quarter. We talked a little bit about the Sales Force of the Future program that we're rolling out, including changes to the comp model. Some of those we rolled out late in 2024. The rest were rolling out in early 2025.
So we're obviously accommodating for a little bit of, obviously, disruption in the business as we work these changes through the ecosystem. But that's largely in the first half of the year. As we get to the back half of the year, as we commented in our prepared remarks, the benefits of many of the transformation initiatives that we're pursuing will start to materialize a little bit more in revenue and the outcomes we're able to drive.

Darrin Peller

Very humble, Cameron. Guys, thanks very much.

Cameron Bready

Thanks Darrin.

Operator

Jason Kupferberg, Bank of America.

Jason Kupferberg

Morning guys. Thanks. I wanted to follow up on Merchant and just clarify the 6% guide for the year. I know it excludes currency and dispositions. But just on the acquisition front, I mean, I think segment's closed around the middle of last year. We're thinking it drives maybe 0.5 point of inorganic to Merchant this year. And I know you mentioned a small orchestration platform you bought. So how much are you expecting from acquisitions in that 6%?

Joshua Whipple

Yeah, so Jason, so cake payments, that anniversaries in the second quarter, and you're right about the 50 basis points of contribution. [GMS], that orchestration layer was -- that was de minimis. So there's very little out of the contribution to the overall growth in 2025

Jason Kupferberg

Okay, understood. And then just on the EPS guide, just so that we're on the same page, how should we think about the actual dollar-based EPS guide, I mean, especially with the absorption of the stock-based comp that you're going to be introducing in Q1? Just so we all get our models tuned up here, right at the beginning of the year.

Joshua Whipple

Yeah, so look, we're guiding constant currency in the 10% to 11% range. Stock-based comp this year is going to be about approximately $170 million. So you can go ahead and factor that into your models. As you think about overall EPS growth, in that 10% to 11% range constant currency.

Jason Kupferberg

Okay. And then the 175 bps headwind you said, right, on the EPS side from the currency?

Joshua Whipple

Yeah, for FX. That's correct.

Jason Kupferberg

Yeah, okay, cool. Thanks Josh.

Operator

Ramsey El-Assal, Barclays.

Ramsey El-Assal

Hi, thanks for taking my question this morning. What is the macro backdrop that you're contemplating in guidance? Are you baking in any conservatism or deterioration in the environment or are you just kind of baking in what we're seeing today?

Cameron Bready

Yeah. I would say from an overall macro perspective -- Ramsey, it's Cameron, and I think we're continuing to forecast, I'd say, a fairly stable macro environment as we head into 2025, largely looking and mirroring kind of what we saw as we ended the year. I think if you look at the macro overall, we continue to see relatively stable labor trends.
Inflation has come down, obviously. It's obviously not entirely tamed as evidenced by the report yesterday, but obviously down from peak levels that we've seen over the last 15 months or so. And obviously, wage growth continues to be reasonably good overall. So I would say the macro backdrop, particularly as it relates to the consumer, is relatively stable.
Obviously, there's some level of uncertainty as it relates to what's happening in the US post-election and what economic policies the new administration will implement and how that may manifest itself in the overall macro environment more broadly.
But I would say sitting here today, we're expecting a fairly stable trend for 2025, and early evidence in January would suggest that we're seeing largely a continuation of what we saw in the fourth quarter.

Ramsey El-Assal

Got it. And a quick follow-up for me. Just at Investor Day, you called out winding down some enterprise customer contracts, I believe, in core. Has that process begun? Should we expect any noticeable impact from that in a given -- in any particular quarter this year?

Cameron Bready

Yeah, it's a good question. And we're absorbing that in the guide that we've provided to you today. So there is some of that that's already happened in the fourth quarter, and there will be more of that, that happens as we work through 2025. Some of that's going to be, I'd say, in a few areas. One is wholesale, in particular, we inherited a lot of wholesale relationships through EVO.
Some of the economics of those relationships don't necessarily work for us, particularly as we think about the level of effort and support that we have around those relationships and what those resources could be otherwise doing in our business. So we either try to work those to terms that make sense for us, so we'll look to exit those.
We talked a little bit around some of the multinational cross-border commerce business that we used to pursue. We're doing less of that. I think we're being far more selective as we think about going upmarket into enterprise and multinational opportunities. We were pursuing some, I would call it, more wholesale indirect FI relationships globally. That's not a business that I want to spend a lot of time and effort on.
I think it's distracting for us. So there are certainly likely to be some changes around how we think about that aspect of our business as we move forward in time.
So short answer is, yes, all that has started. We did exit some wholesale relationships in the fourth quarter. We have more activity that will likely exit in 2025. All that's sort of reflected in the guide that we're providing today, absorbing those impacts in our outlook, which is part of the reason for some of the commentary around our medium-term outlook that we provided back in September.

Ramsey El-Assal

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Tien-Tsin Huang, JPMorgan.

Tien-tsin Huang

Hey, thanks so much. Good to catch up with everyone. Just on the operational transformation of $100 million. I'm curious, does that change also raised the -- or maybe change the timing of savings recognitions in '25 and '26? Any update there?

Joshua Whipple

So '25, I would say, is vastly the same, and the majority of the benefits we're going to see in '26 and beyond. So what we said before, Tien-tsin, is that we expect over a little -- approximately $200 million of OI benefit in '26. Now we expect that to be more in '26. And then we said approximately $400 million of OI benefit in '27, and we expect that to be more in '27, with full run rate of $600 million in 2028.

Tien-tsin Huang

Got it. Thank you for that. And then a quick follow-up, if you don't mind. Winnie, just on the buying out of the joint venture here, can we assume that we'll see more of this? And is the Asia wind-down the inverse, meaning you'll maybe get back some of the joint ventures to the banks?

Cameron Bready

Yeah. It's a good question, Tien-tsin, and I sort of put it in the category of trying to streamline and simplify our business. With the number of joint ventures that we have, particularly in Europe, the complication in operating the business, the governance around the business makes it more difficult to operate the business in the way that we want to from time to time.
So certainly, the CaixaBank exit of the Erste JV simplifies that relationship fairly meaningfully. Obviously, exiting HSBC from our joint venture in Mexico allows us to bring together two businesses in Mexico that, by and large, we're competing with each other, given the nature of the relationships we have in that market into a single business.
Obviously, with good strong referral partners in Banamex and HSBC, but we're able to operate a much more homogeneous and single operating environment in Mexico now, which is certainly a benefit for us. In Asia, we really only have one JV, and that's with Bank of the Philippine Islands in the Philippines. We're very committed to the relationship in that market. We have good scale in that market. We have good growth potential with a strong partner. So that's obviously something that we want to continue with.
The markets that we're seeking to exit in Asia are markets where we own 100% of the business. But they're markets that I would characterize as we're a subscale player today. We don't see a realistic path to being a scale player in a time frame that makes sense for us and we'd rather commit our time, effort and resources to markets where we see better opportunities for us.

Tien-tsin Huang

Got it, no, makes great sense.
Thank you.

Cameron Bready

Thanks.

Operator

Dave Koning with Baird.

David Koning

Yeah, hey guys. Thank you and great to see just the quality of earnings here getting better cash flow leverage, lower add-backs, all that stuff. So congrats on all that (technical difficulty)

Cameron Bready

We appreciate the compliment. But operator, maybe we'll move to the next and see if we can get Dave back.

Operator

James Faucette, Morgan Stanley

James Faucette

Great, good morning, and I'll get straight to my question. So wondering if we can get an update on Issuer segment, and is the assumption for fiscal '25 a continuation of softer trends in the commercial card and pay core that you called out? And how should we think about the growth from the implementation of those 70 million accounts in backlog?

Joshua Whipple

Yeah, sure. I'll go ahead and take that. So look, from -- for Issuer, we expect revenue to be relatively in line with where we exited the year in Q1. We do expect to see modest improvement throughout the year as we see increased benefit from conversion activity and the lapping of the renewal cycle with many of our large issuers.
And what I'll say is, as it relates to Issuers, just for Q4, we continue to see strong trends in Issuer. We saw four conversions for the year. Cameron commented on 17 conversions for the year. The pipeline stands at over 70 million accounts on file. We saw strong sequential growth in accounts on file.
And we also saw a sequential improvement as it relates to transactions. So we feel pretty good about the Issuer business going into 2025, and we expect to see modest acceleration in the back half of the year as we lap some of these contract renewals that we talked about in Q3.

Cameron Bready

Yeah, and James, this is Cameron. I'll just add a couple of points to that. First of all, I would say from a commercial perspective, the trends we saw in Q4 were pretty consistent with what we saw in Q3. So we expect commercial in 2025 to be relatively similar to what we saw kind of exiting the year.
We're not expecting a big sort of uptick in commercial volumes we expect businesses to remain fairly restrictive from a spending perspective, and we think that will largely manifests itself on what we expect from commercial.
We are seeing more normalizing of trends, I would say, around project activity with our large FI customers. Josh called that out as it relates to Q4. And certainly, we have a good pipeline projects that we're implementing for our clients in 2025. So we certainly feel good about that.
I think if you step back and look at the Issuer business more broadly, I think we feel very good about the outlook for the next few years. We've renewed 15 of our top 20 clients on multi-year agreements. Our modernization work is progressing very nicely. I mentioned that our client-facing application development work was done late last year. We're piloting all their solutions in 2025, and we'll be selling exclusively sort of cloud-based solutions for client-facing applications by the end of 2025.
So all that is progressing really nicely, which is important to opening up new TAMs, driving more commercial activity and obviously, accelerating the rate of revenue growth for the issuer business over a period of time. So feel good about the stability and predictability of the business heading into '25. And certainly, the trajectory is on through modernization. And obviously, the work we're doing from a transformation perspective, all of which we expect to benefit the Issuer business for the coming years.

James Faucette

Great. That's great color. And then quickly just wanted to touch on the ISV channel. It sounds like the quarter growth there is still healthy. How are you thinking about the churn and revenue pricing in that business in '25 and in '26?

Cameron Bready

Yeah, I'll start, and I may ask Bob to chime in on this as well. As you probably are aware, the integrated business very, very well from his history -- and I can give you a little more perspective on what we're seeing the market day in and day out. I would say from my standpoint, I think we continue to compete very well in the market from an integrated perspective.
We obviously have a breadth and depth of operating model and capability that allows us to tailor solutions to the needs of our software partners in ways that I don't think our competitors can. And I think as a result of that, we're able to end up with commercial relationships that are favorable to us, favorable to our clients, but not necessarily at the high watermark in terms of rev share relative to where our competitors may pitch business or try to win business.
I think the other area where we continue to differentiate ourselves is our ability to bring more value to the relationship around our commerce enablement solutions, our ability to expand the revenue opportunity through these relationships. More revenue to share generally means lower rev share overall and a better outcome for us, again, in our ISV partners.
So I think we continue to see large lease stability around our business, largely because of our approach to market, the capabilities we have. And the breadth and depth of relationships that we have in that business spans well over a decade now with Global Payments ownership, and going back far more than that through the acquisitions we've made in integrated space over time. But Bob may be able to add a little bit of color to that as well.

Bob Cortopassi

Yeah, thanks, Cameron. Great question, James. We continue to see partners across the spectrum, whether they're ISVs or whether they're other flavors of new tech, fintech, FI relationships with different integration needs, who continue to think about integrated as a departure from the last two pendulum swings we saw over the prior decade, which was coming from integrated to us, send a lead, we'll cut your referral check, to everyone in the world needs to be a PayFac and become a payments company.
They continue to want to differentiate at the customer experience level, what does it look like to acquire and board new accounts. And it continues to be important to them to drive, to Cameron's point, additional value into the relationship beyond core payment acceptance.
And I think the work that we've done over the prior decade and that we continue to accelerate at the back half of '24 and into '25 as part of our transformation, seeks to make those capabilities available and make it easy to consume and integrate ways across the spectrum of our capabilities. So that our partners can go to market really in a very tailored way without having to create a bespoke program or a bespoke integration for every one of them.
We continue to see that being received very well in the market. We think we're positioned well against competition. And it also helps us defend the partnerships that we already have as they seek to evolve their own business model and their own software and distribution platforms.

Cameron Bready

Appreciate that Bob.

Operator

Bryan Bergin with TD Cowen.

Harrison Vivas

Great, thanks so much for taking the questions. This is Harrison Vivas on for Bryan. Just wanted to double click on the POS free platforming. Obviously still early, but could you just offer any early feedback on what you're hearing from clients? And then maybe put a finer point on what you're expecting from a churn level as you really start that -- as you launch Genius into the second half of the year?

Cameron Bready

Yeah, I'll start, and then ask Bob to jump in on this question as well. Again, because he's very close to the details. I would say, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, early feedback is very positive from our direct sellers, our dealers, our FI partners and wholesale partners who we look to sell Genius as well.
And certainly from our international businesses and some of our partnerships there, the feedback around the platform, the capability, the richness of the feature functionality is very positive around what we expect to be the flagship kind of Genius restaurant and Genius retail platforms going forward.
So I would say early signs are encouraging. And we continue to have good momentum just around POS sales more broadly even as we work to bring the rebranded Genius, the re-platformed Genius to market over the course of 2025 and beyond.
So I'm very encouraged. This continues to be one of the areas of investing most in our business. It's one of the areas that we're most excited about in terms of opportunity to drive better growth outcomes over time. And I think the capabilities that we have across the probably nearly 15, 16 POS platforms we have today, finally harnessing that into what will be Genius for restaurant, Genius or retail platforms going forward, I think, is going to have a really positive effect on our business, our ability to win new opportunities in the marketplace.
And obviously, as I said before, the growth outcomes that we think we can deliver. I'll let Bob maybe jump in on the second part of your question around how we envision creating paths for existing merchants to upgrade and how we plan to manage sort of the attrition associated -- or attrition risk associated with those opportunities.

Bob Cortopassi

Yeah, Harrison, as we think about churn in the POS space, I think there's a couple of components at play here. One is, obviously, we respect the competitive environment that we're operating in, and we have fierce competition who is aggressive in their own right.
But we also have long and successful relationships with these customers, not only anchored in the solutions that we've delivered to them in the past, but the way that we've differentiated around the service experience and the continued rollout of additional value-added services that we're bringing to the relationship beyond just the core business operating software in a restaurant or a retail environment.
Second, as customers begin to think about what's the next phase of their technology growth, as I mentioned before, we've got a strong relationship. So it's our belief and it's our historical experience that they think about us first. And we want to be there as they're thinking about the evolution of their business and providing ramps for them to migrate to new solutions that we're going to deliver.
And then finally, we didn't invent Genius de novo, a fair bit of what we're rolling out in both the retail and the restaurant verticals are anchored in solutions that we have in market today, and this is the next generation of those platforms. So there's a very natural upgrade path for a large share of these customers who don't require things like a data conversion. In many cases, may not even require new hardware.
So I think we feel really good about the opportunity to retain our existing customers while growing the relationship and delivering them more value, as well as our competitive positioning to acquire new accounts over the next period of time.

Harrison Vivas

No, great. That's helpful. And then just a quick follow-up on incremental asset sales. Cameron, I know you talked about exiting some subscale APAC businesses in the quarter. Just any commentary on potential additional processes that might be underway.
Should we expect maybe more subscale geographic trimming or are you potentially looking at vertical software platforms to monetize? Just any commentary there would be great. Thanks.

Cameron Bready

Yeah, it's a fair question, Harrison. I don't want to get ahead of my skis on this, obviously, just to sort of protect the integrity of the processes that we're currently involved in and contemplating. I think as I step back and look at where we are, we've divested assets today that represent a little north of $300 million of the $500 million to $600 million target that we provided at our investor conference. We still think $500 million to $600 million is the target that we are likely to achieve over the course of time.
I think about it largely through the lens of a couple of things. One is we've talked about it in the context of the Asian businesses. Are we a scale player in these markets with good prospects to grow meaningfully? And is the market worth our time, effort and resources? And do we have a path?
If we're not a scale player today, do we have a path to being a scale player over time? So obviously, places where we're not and don't feel like we have that path or clearly on our mind in terms of how to think about that business being a Global Payments going forward.
And then secondly, I look at all of our businesses today through the lens of, is it better to be a part of Global Payments? Are we delivering value incrementally to that business as with it being a component of our company? Or can the business be self-sustained outside of Global Payments without creating a lot of disruption for it? So there are a few businesses that we're assessing, I would say, on that front, and we'll continue to provide updates as and when there is information to share around potential outcomes that we're able to achieve.

Operator

Dan Perlin, RBC Capital Markets.

Dan Perlin

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I'm wondering if you're willing to put a little bit of a finer point on this '25 revenue growth cadence. I know you got the five to six bogey out there if you're talking about second half to be stronger than the first half. But I guess what I'm trying to get at is, as you think about that commentary, are you suggesting that we're at the low end of the range in kind of the first half and then you accelerate at the high end?
Or are we going to be maybe potentially below the range in the first half and then a reacceleration? Even outside of that range in the second half, which kind of does support an exit rate or run rate to jump up into '26 with reacceleration. Thanks.

Cameron Bready

Yeah, Dan, it's Cameron, I'll start, and I'll ask Josh to jump in if he wants to put a finer point on any of the commentary. To answer your question very pointedly, no, you shouldn't assume the first half of the year is below the range, the back half of the year is above the range. I'd say the whole year is in the range.
We talked a little bit before about the shaping and why the shaping exists around the year, but you shouldn't expect the range to be different for the first half versus back half. Both halves are in the range. And I think generally, if I'm being candid, we're talking about tens of basis points of difference, probably first half, back half in terms of just the overall shaping.
So I wouldn't put an expectation in your mind that first half is below the range, second half is above the range. I think it's largely first half is a little lower in the range and the second half is likely to be higher in the range, with a good exit rate heading into 2026.

Joshua Whipple

Yeah. I guess what I would say is that we're going to see a slight acceleration as we go into the back half of the year. And as Cameron mentioned in his prepared remarks and earlier on this call, we are factoring in a little bit of a slowdown in the first half as it relates to just transformation activities that we talked about, retooling the sales force, revamping compensation structure and exiting some markets and consolidating platforms.
But again, we're very much within the range, and I would expect to see acceleration in the back half like we talked about at investor conference going into '26 and beyond.

Dan Perlin

That's great and very clear. Thank you for that. Just quickly, Cameron, and it's kind of, again, up a little bit high level. In terms of your conviction level and visibility into the organization now, you're doing a lot of things as you call out the homogeneity of the platforms and internal organization. I'm just wondering how much of an impact that's having on your ability to forecast? And then again, the visibility and conviction in these numbers? Thank you.

Cameron Bready

Yeah, look, we obviously have a lot of confidence, I think, in the outlook for the business that we are providing today. We have a lot of confidence in the interim outlook that we provided back in September. I think our visibility around it is, arguably, better today than it was in September when we obviously provided our medium-term outlook.
We've seen the early results of much of the transformation work that we're pursuing in our business, the outcomes we've been able to drive and certainly how the organization has responded to those changes.
And as I said in earlier comments today, I'm very encouraged about what we've seen that thus far. I don't want to, again, minimize the amount of work that it takes, and certainly how proud I am of our teams as they've been able to navigate these changes in the organization in terms of how we're structured, how we're operating, the tools and systems that we're using, and how we're bringing together the best parts of Global Payments around the globe to try to drive to better outcomes and create a better business for the long term.
It takes a toll on our teams and they've reacted admirably I think, to the amount of work and stress and change that we're trying to push through the ecosystem to get to the outcomes that we have committed to as part of our medium-term outlook back in September. So long answer to a relatively simple question.
But yes, we have competence in the outcomes that we're going to be able to drive. I think we have good visibility around the benefits that we are generating through our operational transformation initiatives. We track those dollar per dollar through a very intensive process.
And obviously, I think we have probably greater visibility and excitement around the opportunities to deliver better outcomes for the business from a growth -- a sustainable organic growth perspective and the outcomes we're able to drive for our clients and shareholders over that period of time.

Dan Perlin

Great thank you so much.

Cameron Bready

Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Vasu Govil, KBW.

Vasundhara Govil

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. And Cameron, you covered a fair amount, but I just wanted to get a finer point on it. I think when you guys guided to 2025 at the Investor Day, it was mid-single digits. So if I'm characterizing that correctly, 4% to 6% and now you're guiding to 5% to 6%, so it's slightly better. Just if you could help pinpoint like what exactly is trending better in the business, that would be great. And then I have a quick follow-up.

Cameron Bready

Yeah, Vasu, it's Cameron. I'll just comment quickly. First of all, I appreciate you calling that out. I would say, arguably, it is slightly better than what we guided to and provided in the medium-term outlook in September. On the margin, of course, it's still mid-single digits, but it's at the upper half of mid-single digits. And I think, again, some of it goes back to the conviction we have around how we see the operational transformation manifesting itself and performance in the business.
Obviously, as we're closer now and actually into 2025, I think we have better visibility around how we'll be able to navigate the level of change in the business without creating disruptions that will have a more meaningful impact on growth, certainly in the short term as we look to drive better longer-term outcomes.
So I think a lot of it is, again, early success and confidence around the work we're doing and how that positions us in our ability to manage as a leadership team and an organization, more broadly, the change that we're driving through the ecosystem to drive to the outcomes for 2025 as we position for, again, a better outcome in '26 and '27.

Vasundhara Govil

Thank you for that. And just a quick one on tech modernization in the Issuer business and the launch of the cloud-based apps. Like would that mean anything from a revenue standpoint?

Cameron Bready

Well, it does certainly over time. Because as we talked about before, the cloud modernization program for Issuer really expands our TAM for that business fairly extensively. It allows us to go down market with smaller FIs relative to where we have traditionally played in our Issuer business. It allows us to expand more easily into new markets without a lot of fixed cost and investment to be able to line up a few clients in new markets around the globe.
I think it makes our capabilities more consumable by fintechs and other players who are looking to be able to consume and utilize our services, perhaps differently than having to consume the entirety of the platform that we operate today that is still more mainframe oriented and requires almost a full consumption of everything to get to the feature functionality that some of these fintechs really want to be able to utilize.
So from our perspective, the modernization is critical to unlocking better growth opportunities for the Issuer business longer term by accessing these new TAMs and creating better opportunities to expand the pool of revenue that we can play in.
We know we have the best feature functionality. We know we have the best issuer capabilities. Being able to unlock those into new markets globally as well as new segments of the markets that we played in, in the geographies that we're active today, is certainly meaningful from a growth potential for the business longer term.

Vasundhara Govil

Thank you very much for the color.

Cameron Bready

Thanks for the question. And with that, that concludes our Q4 earnings call this morning. I want to thank everyone for joining us again today, and I wish everyone a great day.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.