Release Date: February 19, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you help us bridge the guidance from 2024 to 2025, considering the moving pieces and any specific one-time factors for Q1? A: Kevin Hammonds, CFO: The guidance excludes Tennessee and New Mexico DPP and only includes announced divestitures. Starting from 2024's $1.54 billion, we remove $40 million of DPP funds recognized in Q4 and $50-60 million related to divestitures, resulting in a $100 million reduction. Adding organic growth of $75-100 million in 2025 brings us to a midpoint of $1.525 billion. Approval of Tennessee and New Mexico DPP could add $100-125 million to the annual run rate of EBITDA.
Q: How should we think about your strategic moves, including divestitures and urgent care additions, moving forward? A: Tim Hinchin, CEO: We are pleased with our investments and growth in the core portfolio. We have ongoing capital investments, particularly in expansion projects, and are focusing on access point strategies. We see opportunities for organic growth in post-acute and behavioral health, and through our transfer center, we continue to identify service line expansion opportunities.
Q: What will it take to achieve the mid-teens EBITDA margin target, considering the current 13% margin? A: Kevin Hammonds, CFO: We expect stabilization in medical specialist fees and benefits from our ERP project. We anticipate leverage on acuity and payer mix as markets grow. Tim Hinchin, CEO: Opportunities for margin expansion include moderation in inflation, strengthening payer mix, and improved fixed cost leverage from ramping up projects.
Q: Regarding the DPP, the $40 million in New Mexico DPP recognized in Q4 was higher than expected. Does this reflect conservatism or structural changes? Also, what is your assessment of the risk of these programs under the new administration? A: Kevin Hammonds, CFO: The New Mexico DPP was not included in 2024 guidance due to timing uncertainty. It was approved in December, allowing recognition for July-December. We expect Tennessee and New Mexico programs to contribute $100-125 million annually. We anticipate approval under the new administration, as these programs have bipartisan support and are critical for Medicaid funding.
Q: Can you provide metrics around the organic growth of $75-100 million, including same-store revenues, volumes, and margins? A: Kevin Hammonds, CFO: We expect 2-3% volume growth and similar pricing in 2025, leading to mid-single-digit net revenue growth. Margins should slightly increase, with inflationary trends around 3.75% for salaries and wages, and 3% for other expenses. Medical specialist fees are expected to rise 8-12%. ERP implementation should yield $40-60 million in savings.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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