Participants

Gina Gunning; Chief Legal Officer; Array Technologies Inc

Kevin Hostetler; Chief Executive Officer, Director; Array Technologies Inc

Neil Manning; Chief Operating Officer; Array Technologies Inc

Keith Jennings; Chief Financial Officer; Array Technologies Inc

Mark Strouse; Analyst; JP Morgan

Jordan Levy; Analyst; Truist Securities

Vikram Bagri; Analyst; $Citigroup Inc(C-N)$

Brian Lee; Analyst; Goldman Sachs

Joe Osha; Analyst; Guggenheim Partners

Maheep Mandloi; Analyst; Mizuho Securities

Colin Rusch; Analyst; Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Philip Shen; Analyst; ROTH Capital Partners

Presentation

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Array technologies fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings call.
(Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Gina Gunning, a race Chief Legal Officer and corporate secretary. Please go ahead.

Gina Gunning

Thank you. I would like to welcome everyone to Array Technologies fourth quarter and year-end 2024 earnings conference call. I'm Gina Gunning, Array's new Chief Legal Officer and corporate secretary, and I am temporarily covering for Sarah Shepherd, senior director of investor relations, who is currently out of the office on a highly anticipated family leave of absence. I am thrilled to be here at Array Technologies, and I am joined on this call by Kevin Hassettler, our CEO Keith Jennings, our CFO. Neil Manning, our President and COO, and James Chuu, our Chief Accounting Officer.
Today's call is being webcast from our investor relations site at ir.aratetechinc.com, including audio and slides. In addition, the press release and the presentation detailing our quarterly and full year results have been posted on the website.
Today's discussion of financial results includes non-gap measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-gap financial measures can be found on our website. We encourage you to visit our website at arraytechinc.com for the most current information on our company.
As a reminder, the matters we are discussing today include forward-looking statements regarding market demand and supply, our expected results, and other matters. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made on this call. We refer you to the documents we file with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10k for a discussion of risks that may affect our future results.
Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results, levels of activity, performance, or achievements. We are under no duty to update any of the forward-looking statements to conform these statements to actual results except as required by law.
I will now turn the call over to Kevin.

Kevin Hostetler

Thank you, Gina, and I'll take a moment. To publicly welcome both you and Keith to.
Team Array. I speak for the entire executive team in saying we're excited to have both of you as our partners. Good. Afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'll begin with a brief business and market update.
Then Neil Manning, our President and Chief Operating Officer, will provide some product and commercial updates for the quarter Keith Jennings. Our Chief Financial Officer will provide the fourth quarter and full year 2024 financial highlights and full year 2025 financial guidance. Then we'll open the line for your questions.
Starting on slide 3, I'll begin with the summary and key highlights of the quarter, as well as full year 2024 results followed by a discussion on the latest near-term market dynamics and industry environment.
We had a strong fourth quarter driven by robust project execution. This in turn translated into better-than-expected financial results for the quarter and strong results for 2024. We achieved $275 million of revenue in the fourth quarter and $916 million of revenue for full year 2024, which was above the midpoint of our previously communicated guidance range.
Fourth quarter adjusted gross margin came in at 29.8%, an improvement of 410 basis points year on year and full year adjusted gross margin of 34.1% represents an improvement of 680 basis points compared to full year 2023.
We also delivered adjusted IEDA of $45.2 million in the fourth quarter and $173.6 million for full year 2024. For the full year we generated $135 million of free cash flow, ending the year with a strong cash balance of $364 million. As depicted on slide 4, several achievements highlighted our 2024. We broke ground on our new state of the art manufacturing facility in Albuquerque, New. Mexico Which is an important part of our supply chain resiliency strategy as we look to further domesticate additional components, reduce our costs, and lower enterprise risk around continuity of supply for certain critical components.
We have and continue to improve and innovate our portfolio of products, software, and service solutions based on feedback we receive from our customers. Recent examples include our patented hail Alert response and our automated snow response as integral parts of our SmartTrack suite of controller and software services.
The strong traction we're experiencing globally with our omnirac terrain following tracker, which I'm pleased to report already represents over 20% of our order book. We've received positive feedback on Skylink since its launch and launched our reusable packaging initiative to enhance sustainability and reduce costs.
Most recently, we made a significant investment in swap robotics, which Neil will describe in more detail later. We made organizational improvements such as the remediation of our final material weaknesses, and we strengthened our management team with key hires with depth of industry experience and strong relationships in both our domestic and international teams.
And lastly we are an active voice working with industry trade groups such as the Solar Energy Industries Association and American Clean Power and have a seat at the table as we advocate for our value proposition and the benefits of renewable energy as a key component of a broader energy addition strategy and the elements supporting this strategy found within the Inflation Reduction Act. 2024 was a productive and successful year for Array, and I'm proud of everything our team accomplished.
Turning to slide 5, I'd like to provide an update on our order book. Our order book ended the year at $2 billion up 10% compared to 2023 year end. We continue to see strong overall momentum in the business as new and existing customers are seeing the benefits of Array's innovative products, software and services portfolio. In particular, the domestic portion of our order book continues to build momentum with over 20% growth experienced over the course of 2024.
Our win rate continues to improve, and we're seeing great traction with our recently expanded product, software and services portfolios. We are encouraged by this momentum which we believe is largely driven by our focus on renewed customer engagement and innovative and differentiated solutions for our customers.
Our Omnirac terrain following tracker continues to gain traction in the market and contributed almost 10% of our 2024 revenue. We believe the ongoing success of this product reflects the diverse range of terrains being utilized for solar projects both in the US and globally.
This is an exciting trend as it allows the industry to broaden its total addressable market while staying one of the most cost effective options for new energy generation.
Transitioning to slide 6, I want to take the time to walk through what we are seeing in the market both in the long term and short term. Utility scale solar remains the cheapest and fastest growing energy source to meet the increasing demand for electricity.
According to a study released last week by Brattle and Conserv America, by 2035, the US will need 50% more annual electricity production than today to meet the demand created mostly by data centers for AI and manufacturing reshoring.
Peak demand growth rates exceed 5 times that of the past decade. Furthermore, SA and Wood MacKenzie released data in Q4, noting that solar and solar plus battery storage represented 64% of all new electricity deployment in the US, continuing a four-year trend.
Utility scale solar is faster to deploy, lower in cost, has no ongoing variable input costs, and utilizes a proven domestic supply chain. Thus we see continued growth to meet the increased electricity demand in the coming decade. We've spoken in the past about the headwinds we have seen impacting the solar industry and pushing project timelines to the right.
While these continue to impact project timelines in the US, we did see the market stabilized towards the end of the year compared to the level of pushouts we experienced in the middle of the year. We are encouraged by the level of stabilization we experienced in the market towards the end of the year and look forward to continued momentum in 2025.
On the policy front, it has certainly been a dynamic start to the year. First, there has been much speculation regarding the IRA, which is now being referred to as the American Energy Credits. As we've communicated in the past, our view remains that a full repeal of the American energy credits is unlikely, given narrow GOP margins in Congress and support from some Republican legislators.
We continue to work with our industry association partners like American Clean Power and the Solar Energy Industry Association to highlight the impact that AA and other US manufacturers are having on the American economy, delivering both jobs and secure, reliable energy.
Second, we'd like to add some context on the recent executive orders and their impact on our business, customers, and industry. We do not believe the key tax credits for our industry, including the ITC, PTC, domestic content, and 45X, are affected by the recent Trump executive orders. Regarding the freeze on dispersing IRA funds, this would apply only to appropriated funds that agencies have not yet dispersed, such as grants or loans from the Department of Energy.
Tax credits are considered mandatory spending and are not subject to appropriation. As such, they are outside the scope of this executive order. We continue to monitor developments on this front, and we will continue to share information as it becomes clearer.
As the original provider of high domestic content solar Tracker solutions, we continue to focus on our domestic supply chain, and we've made excellent progress throughout the year.
We are on track to provide 100% domestic content trackers in the first half of 2025 and to be able to do so at scale and with the required certifications our customers are expecting. On the international front in Brazil, the devaluation of the Brazilian real, the volatile interest rate environment.
And newly introduced tariffs on solar components have significantly slowed market growth. This is expected to continue for three to four more quarters as purchase price agreements are renegotiated across regions and as Brazil enters a Presidential election cycle in 2026.
In Europe, our business is performing as expected, and we anticipate modest market growth in 2025. We believe we are well positioned to capture market share in the region we are actively evaluating additional markets for international expansion, including the Middle East, where we announced opportunities in the first half of 2024.
We are excited by the positive reception and the potential growth in the region. As we turn our attention to 2025, despite ongoing industry headwinds, we see demand stabilizing as the value proposition for utility scale solar remains robust, driving underlying industry growth to mid to high single digits. With the guidance we introduced today, Array expects to exceed the market with 20% top line growth.
Keith will discuss our guidance for 2025 in more detail later, but it should be noted, given our experience in 2024, we have modified our forecasting methodology to take a more conservative approach as we enter 2025. As we explained during our last earnings call, a significant portion of our order book is scheduled for delivery between now and through the end of 2025. In fact, over 50% of our current order book is set to be delivered in 2025.
We should also note we still expect to book some additional DG projects over the next couple of quarters for delivery in 2025.Overall, customers are facing a range of both challenges and opportunities in the market. However, it's important to highlight that for 2025 deliveries we observed the US market stabilizing rather than deteriorating compared to the level of customer pushouts experienced in mid-2024.
Now I'll turn the call over to Neil to speak about some exciting product and commercial updates.

Neil Manning

Thanks, Kevin. Turning to slide 7, I'd like to share with you a recap on our innovation progress in 2024. We're driving results both from within array and with our ecosystem partners. I'm happy to report that Array attained 22 new patents in 2024, bringing our total to 329 granted worldwide.
We're quite pleased that our ideation programs are yielding meaningful differentiating capabilities for our customers in hardware, software, and installation efficiency. On the right side of this slide is an overview of several innovations array brought to market in 2024 with a keen focus on ease and speed of installation along with mitigating damage from extreme weather events for our customers.
We're very pleased with the initial market response for a Skylink platform and the enhancements to our Smarttrack software solutions for extreme hail and snow events.
It's important to note that array's automated hailsto capability is truly automated and does not require human intervention to activate.
This is quite relevant with the significant storm damage to competing tracking solutions experienced in 2024, where these competing solutions depended on human intervention to still effectively.
I'm happy to report that we now have over 5 gigawatts of SmartTrack software solutions in operation and an additional 5 gigawatts being deployed in the near term for backtracking and diffuse capabilities.
We are now offering site specific productivity gain evaluations to our customers to further their understanding of the financial benefit of Arraymartrack functionality.
Customers are indicating significant interest in our high angle hail stow tracker, which will lead the industry with a stow angle of at least 77 degrees. The solution combined with the automated snow capability of hail alert response will further enhance our customers' ability to protect their assets during extreme weather events.
This is notable as nearly 40% of the US market is prone to extreme hailstorms. And it's not just a ray claiming success on our leading LCOE performance and capabilities in extreme weather. We validated our leading performance with third party engineering companies so that power producers can independently verify the enhanced and industry leading value we bring to their investments.
You may recall the insurance form we held at our headquarters in July of 2024 where we shared and discussed our differentiating capabilities in detail so that investment stakeholders can make informed decisions about their technology solutions.
Moving to slide 8 as a further example of our focus on innovation, I'd like to provide an update on our investment in swap robotics and other partnership programs. Schwab is a pioneer in utility scale solar robotic operations, maintenance, and automation solutions that we chose to invest in at the end of 2024.
We're quite excited about the potential for Swap robotics cutting edge technology to be integrated with array's existing products to open new possibilities for enhanced project cycle time efficiency, field installation savings, and optimization of capital expenditures.
Automated module installation powered by swap robotics offers the potential for significant savings benefiting our customers looking to streamline project costs.
In parallel, our technical teams are driving a number of industry partnerships, particularly related to autonomous robotic module cleaning.
As shown on the right, module cleaning can be a key application to maximize module performance for operators, particularly in areas of high wind and dust such as the Middle East. To sum it up, array continues to drive innovative and disruptive solutions to deliver differential value to our customers.
Now to slide 9, I want to highlight continued progress in array supply chain as we drive supply chain resiliency efforts in parallel with our domestic content goals.
We continuously add new suppliers in the United States and around the world to de-risk and further diversify our supply base.
At the end of 2024, a United States supplier of capacity stood in excess of 40 gigawatts annually, with our global capacity at 75 gigawatts.
This offers a rate tremendous optionality where we can optimize supply for our customers tailored to their project's geographic location and desires for local content, all while continuing our industry leading lead times while lowering overall project execution risk.
We partner with our suppliers to drive deliveries from a network of 50 locations domestically and another 75 internationally. We also selectively leverage our own facilities in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in Spain, and in Brazil to complement our supplier network and further de-risk customer deliveries.
As previously committed, we're on track to provide a 100% domestic content tracker in the United States in the first half of 2025. We offer certification on both a component and at a system level, which is proving important to our customers.
We're proud of our longstanding United States centric supply chain at array for shorter delivery distances and trusted clean steel suppliers have been able to lower carbon footprint for our deployed base when compared with other leading tracking suppliers in the industry.
With that, I'll turn the call over to Keith to give a more detailed update on 2024 results and provide full year 2025 guidance.

Keith Jennings

Keith, thank you, Neil. Good afternoon, everyone. I appreciate the privilege of speaking with you today. Since joining the company on January 6th, I have been impressed by the quality of the organization and the strength of what AA offers its customers and employees.
I'm incredibly excited about the future winter Ray. I see tremendous opportunities ahead for our company as a leading provider of high quality solar tracking solutions. My financial commentary begins on slide 11. I would like to start off by providing some additional details around the fourth quarter and the full year 2024 results has Kevin shared in the fourth quarter and for the full year of 2024, we delivered strong financial results driven by exceeding the midpoint of our revenue guidance.
Revenue in the fourth quarter was $275.2 million down 19% from the prior year, largely due to commodity correlated ASP declines and the project pushouts we began experiencing back in mid 2024. When compared to the prior quarter, revenue was up 19%. Sequentially, revenue and cash flow had positive momentum that was counter to historical seasonal fourth quarter trends.
It's important to note delivered volume measured in megawatts of generation capacity for the quarter were up 2% over the prior year and up 35% over the prior quarter. Across 2024, we experienced moderate ASP declines year over year in the US and slightly higher ASP declines internationally in the US.
This was primarily the result of price compression from falling commodity prices.
Sales in North America represented approximately 73% and 70% of our revenue in the quarter and full year respectively. In the fourth quarter, adjusted gross margin improved by 410 basis points year over year, reaching 29.8%. Sequentially, adjusted gross margin declined by 560 basis points as guided, primarily due to a large order shipping in Q4 of 2024, with the remaining balance to be shipped in Q1 of 2025.
This is from a legacy fixed price volume commitment agreement which was discussed during the Q3 earnings call. Additionally, we experienced headwinds in Brazil from devaluation and additional tariffs. Total operating expenses of $220.7 million were up approximately $167 million from $54 million in the same period last year.
This increase was primarily driven by the $166 million dollar non-cash long-lived assets and goodwill impairment charges related to the 2022 STI acquisition. The impairment charges were triggered by the decline in our stock price in Q4, resulting in a decrease in market capitalization, coupled with forecast updates to near-term projections for certain markets in which STI operates.
Adjusted EBITA was $45.2 million representing an adjusted EBITA margin of 16.4%. This compares to adjusted EBITA of $48.2 million and adjusted EBITA margin of 14.1% in the fourth quarter of 2023.
On a GAAP basis, net loss attributed with the common shareholders in the fourth quarter of 2024 was $141.2 million compared to net income of $6 million in the prior year period. Diluted loss per share was $0.93 compared to diluted income per share of $0.04 in the same period last year.
Adjusted net income was $25.1 million down from $26.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2023. Adjusted diluted net income per share was $0.16 compared to $0.17 in the prior year period.
Free cash flow for the period was $44.6 million compared to $88.6 million for the same period last year.
A few comments on full year 2024. I'll just briefly highlight these on slide 12. Full year revenue was approximately $9160 million surpassing the midpoint of the guidance range we provided during our Q3 call. This represented a 42% decline in revenue compared to 2023. This was due to a decrease in both volume and ASPs. Adjusted gross profit decreased to $312.2 million from $430.1 million in the prior year.
Adjusted gross margin expanded by 680 basis points over the prior year to a record 34.1%. Operating expenses increased to $524.7 million from $201.4 million in the prior year, primarily due to a $236 million non-cash goodwill impairment charge and a $91.9 million dollar non-cash long-lived intangible asset write down related to the 2022 STI acquisition, partially offset by lower headcount related costs.
Net loss attributable to common shareholders was $296.1 million compared to net income of $85.5 million in the prior year. Diluted loss per share was $1.95 compared to diluted income per share of $0.56 in the prior year. Adjusted EBITA was $173.6 million compared to $288.1 million in the prior year.
Adjusted net income was $91.2 million compared to $171.9 million in the prior year. Adjusted diluted net income per share was $0.60, down from diluted net income per share of $1.13 in the prior year. Finally, free cash flow for the year was $135.4 million compared to $215 million in the prior year. We ended the year with approximately $364 million in total cash on hand, an increase of $115 million from last year end.
Throughout the year, net cash used, and financing activities was $11.8 million primarily driven by $4.3 million in payments on a term loan and a $4.4 million dollar reduction of other debt. We ended the year with a net leverage ratio of 1.8 times excluding our preferred shares. Among my initial priorities as CFO are assessing our capital structure and allocation strategy. Our strategic priority remains investing in the growth of our business, followed by further reducing our debt.
As part of this process, together with our board of directors, we are evaluating our targeted debt levels and leverage. Every capital structure and allocation decision will be made with a strong focus on strategy and discipline.
We successfully remediated our material weakness in 2024. We will build on that success as we continue to drive productivity and efficiency 2025 guidance update.
On slide 13, I will provide an outlook for the first quarter and full year 2025. As Kevin mentioned earlier, the level of stabilization we experienced towards the end of 2024 changed the trajectory of our usual seasonal first quarter dip. We expect revenue in the first quarter to be in the range of $260 million to $270 million and adjusted EBITA margin to be in the range of 11 to 13%.
We believe it is important to provide this additional level of guidance to better understand the shape of our revenue forecasts for 2025. For the full year, we are forecasting a double digit year over year increase in both volume and revenues driven by the recovery in market share coupled with shipments from the late 2024 projects in our North America segment.
We entered 2025 with $2 billion in our order book, which includes $594 million of remaining performance obligations of which we expect to recognize revenue on approximately 97% in 2025. We expect to deliver full year 2025 revenue within the range of 1.05 to $1.15 billion. In terms of the 1st versus second half of the year split, the year will be slightly more heavily weighted towards the 1st half.
Q1 2025 revenue is expected to decline by mid single digit% from Q4 2024 before we see our traditional seasonal ramp up in quarters 2 and 3, followed by the traditional seasonal drop off in Q4. We also expect year over year revenue growth in both the 1st and 2nd halves of 2025 when compared to the same periods of the prior year.
We expect our adjusted gross margins for the year to be within the range of 29 to 30%. The roll off of prior year 45X amortization drives the year on year reduction in adjusted gross margin. We also expect these margins to fluctuate slightly quarter to quarter due to shifts in project, geographic, and product mix, as well as fixed cost absorption.
For adjusted SGNA, we expect a range of $144 to $152 million. Adjusted EBITA is expected to range between $180 and $200 million. This guidance reflects improved profitability driven by our structural cost enhancements to improve efficiency and scale, as well as the benefits from 45X.
At the midpoint, this represents a 9% year over year increase in adjusted e-bidder earnings. For adjusted diluted earnings per share, we anticipate a range of 60 to $0.70, representing an 8% year over year increase at the midpoint.
We expect our effective tax rate to be between 24 and 25%. Preferred dividends are expected to total approximately $15 million per quarter, with approximately $30 million as the cash or pick portion and the remainder attributable to the accretion of the instrument.
Free cash flow is expected to be between $115 and $130 million in 2025 after capital expenditures, which is expected to be in the range of $30 to $35 million.
Overall, we anticipate a growing highly profitable and cash-generative business in 2025. I am incredibly pleased to be a part of the RA team, a company with a bright future. Now back to Kevin for closing remarks.

Kevin Hostetler

Thank you, Keith. As I reflect on the opportunities ahead for our business. I feel optimistic and grateful for our mission-driven employees who have devoted their time and energy to position the company for ongoing success.
With this strong foundation in place, we are well positioned to capture new opportunities, and we remain very optimistic about the value proposition and demand within the utility scale solar industry.
Looking ahead, we will stay focused on what we can control, prioritizing business growth, customer relationships, product innovation, and operational efficiency. With that, we will now open the call up for questions, operator.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions)
Mark Strouse, JP Morgan.

Mark Strouse

Great, thank you very much for taking our questions. Keith, can I start with you, first of all, congrats on the new role. I look forward to working with you. Just looking at the one queue guide though, so I appreciate that revenue is first half weighted. Can you just talk about what's weighing on IAO margin in one cu though compared to the rest of the year? No, I have a follow up. Thank you.

Keith Jennings

Great, thank you, Mark. Thank you for the kind wishes. The first quarter, even the margins are forecasted to be lower because we still have the second half of the large shipment that we start to push through from Q4 of 2024. And we also have the roll off of some 45 ex amortization that we just won't see in the in the quarter. And so those are, primarily the two reasons for the.

Mark Strouse

Okay, and then just a quick follow up. Were there any safe sorry, safe harbor orders that you that you received in 4Q or thus far into one?
I think when we look at our order book we have less than 10% or so of safe harbor orders in the order book. They have not been a focus for us, Kevin. No.

Kevin Hostetler

That would be the 10% that's in the order book or some of the legacy. The safe harbor programs that we have in terms, Mark, I think you're probably reflecting on, are we seeing an onset of new safe harbors and if that's kind of the root of the question. We're certainly in dialogue now.
We don't have any in our order book from from the newness and companies trying, but we're certainly in dialogue with customers that are evaluating that now. Nothing in the existing order, but likely some in 1.

Mark Strouse

Okay, yeah, that was the question. Thank you very much.

Operator

Jordan Levy, Truist.

Jordan Levy

Hey, thanks, guys. It's more on for Jordan. Thanks for taking the question. First question, it's great to hear the pipeline is growing 60% year over year, but could you please comment on why you order backlogs sort of lag behind and what kind of initiatives you guys are taking to win incremental business to grow the backlog? Thank you. I have a follow up.

Kevin Hostetler

Yeah, sure, Mo. This is Kevin. Let me take that. So we think we're pretty pleased with.
The win rate of new orders. It's continuing to tick up. As it has for over a year, and year on year the percentage of win rate is up substantially. So. We're very pleased with that. One of the things that we experienced in Q4 that we experienced in Q3 has been the view of the net orders coming into the order book. One thing we noted in.
The. Prepared commentary is. That our US order book, for example, our book to build ratio was 1.5, so. Very strong momentum in the North American business offset by. Some.De-booking of orders in Brazil. You'll recall we've said it for a couple of quarters now that.
We're still sticking to our same rules and guidelines here that if we don't have a defined start date on a program, we pull it out of the order book. So we had some de-bookings in Brazil that we pulled out of the order book masking. Some of the strength we had in the North American order book.And. I think.We're we're towards the end of the debookings in Brazil. And. I also want to be clear that we haven't had any of those orders in Brazil canceled, so they're sitting on the sidelines.Waiting for new dates and new. PPA negotiations.
At this point before they roll back into the order book.

Jordan Levy

Gotcha. Thanks for the comment. And maybe following on your comment on declining ASPs, what kind of pricing dynamics are you seeing in 2025?

Kevin Hostetler

I'm sorry, what was pricing dynamics. So look, we're seeing pricing. Actually fairly disciplined. I think what the. What you have to think about. Is the fact that, steel, aluminum, and logistics make 70% of our bill of material. We, we've talked about that historically, and steel alone has come down over 30% in the previous two years, and that's what's really weighed. Down the ASP. So it's truly the ASP.
Declines have been a function of commodity. Not a function of giving up price in the market. I. Think. Our competitors have.Stayed. Fairly disciplined. We're not seeing large price wars. What we are seeing is, look, as expected, there is some trickling in of some of the 45X.
Benefits into some.Price. Seeing as we're competitive on large orders or bundles of projects. That. Was.As we expected for well over a year.We're all responding accordingly, but I would. Say certainly.
In. North America. It's. Been a very. Very still quite disciplined market. I would say it's less disciplined as you go. Around. The world. Certainly it's getting less discipline in Brazil with the the issues that the. Marketplace is having. I would say Europe is a little bit.
A little bit better than. Brazil, not quite as disciplined as the US. And that's a function of of a lot of smaller competitors in the European business. So US, we feel really good about the discipline, and when you think about the fact that, as Keith talked about in his prepared remarks.
It's It shouldn't be lost on the market that in a 4 we're actually up in volume. Year over year. That's a significant swing. Right?
That's significant. When you think about the recovery of the business on a volume basis, finally returning to year over year growth in volume. But that declined ASP. Due to steel. Now why that's so important and why I want to mention it is that you now have hyper growth of steel creeping back into the market in the last few weeks. You have the threat of tariffs that are threatening on the import of steel, which is allowing the domestic steel producers to raise their steel price.
That's a good dynamic for us to get. Back. Into. The 22, 23 steel pricing.Is a really strong dynamic for array. So we look forward to that. We're mindful of that with our customers.
Both in terms of trying to help our customers lock in some steel savings, but at the same time elevated steel prices creeping in, getting more normalized back to the 22, 23, we welcome that in the industry.

Operator

(Operator Instructions)
Vikram Bagri, Citigroup Inc.

Vikram Bagri

Hey Kevin, you mentioned trickling of 45 X to customers, but if I exclude the first quarter metrics, the last 9 months indicate margins will be about 19%, which is squarely in line with, what you reported in, fiscal '24. Does that mean there has been no change in pricing. The 45X, sharing has is not happening. You don't expect to happen in 2025 either, or you were, you're anticipating sharing of 45X, so this margin is sort of like, could come down if the sharing is higher than anticipated.

Keith Jennings

So, thank you for the question. First, let me say this. We have no explicit arrangements with our customers to share 45X. When you look at the guidance for the full year, for gross profit margin, we're guiding very comfortably towards the 29 to 30% range.
We also believe that the shape of the year and the mix we're reasonably comfortable with the pricing that we have seen out there, as Kevin said. We're reasonably comfortable with the fact that the current rise in steel prices should offer us some expansion of margins. And so we have not done anything different in our pricing. We have not offered 45X up in contracts.
We do believe that there is some bit of leakage and sharing in the profit pool, but we have no explicit arrangements to share that with our customers.

Kevin Hostetler

Yeah, and just adding on again, to be really clear, the only difference in gross margin year over year that you're seeing is the roll off of the prior year 45X am amortized benefits that were the residual for 23 that contractually and through our accounting team working with our outside accountants, we had to amortize throughout the year of 2024. That's the biggest deviation year over year. You solve for that and it's solid continued margin performance here.

Operator

Brian Lee, Goldman Sachs.

Brian Lee

Hey guys, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Welcome to the team, Keith. Look forward to working with you. I had a handful of numbers related questions, so maybe I'll just throw them all out there. Seems like we're getting down to one question for annual. So, on the gross margins, I guess if I back into the view you have for Q1 and the balance of the year, it seems like you're doing maybe low 20s gross margin in Q1 and then it's low 30s for the balance of the year.
I mean, I guess is that right and is that low 30s really kind of the more representative margin level, that you know you're structurally targeting and seeing on new bookings because it seems like the Q1 number is is sort of an anomaly. And then, just two housekeeping ones, what was the gross bookings number because I think you said there was some de-bookings, Kevin, and then how much, get go get business did you have in 24? It seems like for the '25 guidance based on 50% backlog shipping for 25, you're assuming about 100 million go get, but just wanted to kind of compare and contest. Thanks guys.

Kevin Hostetler

Yeah, let me take a couple.
Of those. The, I'll probably take them in reverse order. That's the way I can remember them, right? So the go-get is very minimal. When we entered 2024, we had what would have been a typical amount of go-get somewhere in that 20 to 25% range would have been normal for us in our forecasts. We've taken a more conservative approach in 2025, and the go-get is. Certainly at this point sub 10%, and I would say nicely sub 10%. So we feel that the go-get that's in our plan now is certainly more than compensated with our book and ship business that's DG, that's software, and that's services, more than we'll compensate for any go-get. So we've added a little bit of cushion there in our conservative forecasting. In terms of the.
Gross margin for Q1, I think your low 20s is probably a bit off.
It's probably mid-20s, and then it's Stabilizes at a higher level throughout the following three quarters. And again, the biggest driver in that is when we talked in the past about the low margin VCA, we're talking a very low margin fixed price VCA that was signed back in 2021, and we still have another year after this to deal with a couple of projects.
As we ship that through.
That is the only thing weighing down on the margin in Q1 that's material.

Brian Lee

Just quickly on the gross bookings versus net?

Kevin Hostetler

We've not provided the gross versus net, historically.
We'll just continue to focus on the net bookings number, but suffice to say it was certainly greater than 50 million of de-bookings in Brazil in the quarter.

Brian Lee

Very helpful thanks guys.

Kevin Hostetler

You're welcome.

Operator

Joe Osha, Guggenheim Partners.

Joe Osha

Hi there. Yeah. First question, I'm wondering if you can comment and wonder if there's been any change in the competitive environment, following Soultech going away in Europe, and then I've got one quick follow up.

Kevin Hostetler

Yeah, so not.
In Europe. There's been a change in competitive. So remember.
Soltech.
Competed with us in two of our larger markets.
And that's primarily Spain and Central Europe and then Brazil.
There's certainly been a change in Brazil as Sol tech has gone away and we've been able to pick up several projects. However, the bankruptcy.
Laws in Spain don't allow interloping at this point yet. So there's a period of time where we have to stay away from those projects despite those customers.
Looking for an alternative.
Because.
Their projects.
Are kind of in progress but highly at risk at this point.
So that's one of the challenges. So.
Outside of the additional sort of market share.
Gain that you would normally get where people say, Well, now there's only there's one fewer player in Europe in the near term.
We're certainly seeing some of.
That. But if you're asking, are we able to run in and pick up a bunch of their Half done projects. The laws in Spain don't allow that yet. There's a time factor that we have to deal with.

Neil Manning

And just add some color for South America. We were opportunistic in one large project and we believe there'll be follow-ons from there. So we're appropriate where we can pick up projects. We're absolutely doing so.

Kevin Hostetler

We have many customers and to be clear, in Brazil, customers came to us and asked us to very quickly refresh our bids. To go back and take on some projects and we're certainly doing that.

Joe Osha

That's great. And then just one very quick follow up. I'm wondering if you all have contemplated selling off any 45X credits. I know you take a haircut, but it's money now versus money later. Just wondering if that might be part of the plan. Thank you.

Kevin Hostetler

Not in the. Near term, because most of our 45X. Is filed by our vendors, and we have with every vendor a different agreement in how those manifests itself to us in terms of either a rebate or a reduction in COGS or what have you. So we have varying agreements with our vendors. The 45X portion of credits that we. Have will specifically be for some of the components that we manufacture in our existing Albuquerque facility.
And then as we. Expand. The Albuquerque facility will have an ability to go after more 45. Ex credits. On a direct basis. And at that point if we have excess credits then we would evaluate selling them at a discount. But again, you'd want us to be in an excess credit standpoint for that, but we're still a cash taxpayer.

Operator

Maheep Mandloi, Mizuho Securities.

Maheep Mandloi

Hey, the, thanks for taking a question. Just two quick parts first, on the guidance, just want to understand if there's any, book and bill opportunity on top of the guidance you kind of, laid out over here for this year. And secondly on the tariffs, the most of the stock tubes are probably made in the US for you guys, but I'm thinking for the other components. That the rotors and other things are those impacted by these incremental tariffs, on, steel and aluminum import for you? Thanks.

Keith Jennings

So I'll take the book and bill and then you can take the tariffs. Look, the guidance that we have given, we feel very comfortable with given where we have already things in the backlog.
There are opportunities to take some bookings into the year early, given our lead times an average of 14 weeks and still deliver and maybe deliver some upside, but we have to see that. And at the moment, as given the uncertainty in the marketplace out there, everyone's just. It's almost in a wait and see mode, even though we still have orders, we still are delivering what we have, but at this point in time we're holding to our guidance on revenues and and wait to see what happens with the administration and clarity.

Neil Manning

And hey, it's all weigh in on the tariff front. So overall we feel well positioned on tariffs in this climate. I kind of remind everyone that we're the original, high domestic content provider of trackers, domestically in the US.
We've been really forthcoming about having the ability to be a 100% domestic content tracker here in the first half, regardless. And so we feel really well positioned as you mentioned, torque tube, which is the highest runner in build materials, sourced from, US tube mills with steel coil that comes from domestic mills that are melted and poured here in the US, unlike other providers who may be importing that coil, who may be subject to tariffs. So in general if you're really well positioned on tariffs and you know we'll be 100% content here in the US first half, so we feel well positioned overall.

Maheep Mandloi

Alright. Thanks, Keith Kevin.

Kevin Hostetler

I think again just if I could just add on to that. Let me just add one more comment to what Neil said. While our bill of material is secure from tariffs, there's a secondary impact of tariffs, and that's the raising of domestic steel prices because US steel prices feel they can.
And it shouldn't be lost on anyone on this call that since the beginning of the year, US steel prices are up 30%. That is very significant. That's not a. You know that that's a significant increase and it's a response to US steel producers feeling that they have air cover now to begin raising prices domestically. So for us that's about ensuring.
That we're pricing effectively, that we're we're monitoring steel prices, and the. Benefit we have in our contracting system is that we don't lock steel in and commit to a steel price until we fully contract that order, right?
So for us it creates upside opportunity in terms of ASP, but no downside risk in terms of margin, the way we price. So I think we're, we feel we're pretty positioned, but I want everyone to recognize that just cause you have domestic steel doesn't mean you're not going to have a price impact in the marketplace. I think we will just of what you've seen 30% increase since January 1.
The bulk of that 30% over 20% coming since the announcement of what we like to call here the Super Bowl Tariffs, right?

Operator

Colin Rusch, Oppenheimer.

Colin Rusch

Thanks so much guys. Can you talk a little bit about key areas that you're you're focused on in the R&D effort to make incremental improvements on the existing portfolio product?

Neil Manning

Yeah, so we've been really up front. This is Neil. I'll take that one. So as we talked about in the prepared remarks, feel really good about the investment we've made in Skylink, bringing wireless capability, also kind of customizing what we had as a legacy 32 linked row into an 8-lengthed row architecture. That allows us to be more adaptable to smaller parcels that we're seeing more and more of in the space, as we talked about also around a lot of focus now on robotics and automated assisted panel installation.
So what you're seeing our R&D teams really focused on is helping our EPC and developer customers have a more optimized deployment experience helping cut their costs down from a field standpoint. So whether it's with Skylink, reducing trenching, wireless capability, or with, investments in alternative options for easier installation when it comes to modules, so that's where a lot of our focus and attention is going, making things easier for our customers to lower their overall costs as part of an overall utility scale solar deployment.
Great, thanks so much, guys.

Operator

Philip Shen, Roth Capital Partners.

Philip Shen

Hey guys, thanks for taking my questions. You talked about the solid margin performance after accounting for the 45 X memorization.That said, one of your peers has margins that could be a couple 100 basis points higher. How should we think about the differences in your structural gross margin percentage versus your closest public peer? Is it just conservatism in your outlook, or is there some price action that could be driving? That's so I know you've said, maybe not, but just wanted to kind of explore that a little bit more for for the 2025 gross margin outlook. Thanks.

Keith Jennings

So I don't know which pier you're referring to, but when we think about.Fair enough, thank you.Thank you for the clarity. We are two different scale organizations and we have to think about 45X in its context. 45X is a US market. A tool. It operates only in the US and so our mix of products and markets are different than theirs. Our model of how we operate is different than theirs. And so for us, we've always said that X45X in the US, our business should operate at a 20+% gross margin over time, and we think we are getting there across 2025.
As Kevin said, look, there's a profit pool that 45X has, broadened in the US for suppliers, customers, and us as technology providers, and I think that there is going to be some leakage across the system. We have no explicit agreements to share 45X with any customers, so we're not explicitly giving it away, but is there a leak to be competitive? I would guess so. So we are focused on what we can control. We're focused on the Suppliers that we are partnered with to deliver our goods we are focused on making sure our margins are structurally sound so that if 45X goes away we still have a profitable and cash generated business. Kevin.

Kevin Hostetler

Just one clarity I'll make, Keith, is it's mid-20s margins.We've been at those margins consistently now for many quarters as we committed to bringing those structural what we call legacy core array margins.
When you correct for different sourcing strategies to maximize 45X, that is, we've certainly maintained those mid-20s margins for many quarters. And when I say that caveat of correcting for things, there's a, there's an interesting game we play here, and that's about the mix of foreign steel versus US steel, and the more US steel we use, the more 45X credits we get. So paying more for steel.
On one side lends itself to more credits and you're solving for that, right? If we and solving for customers that want different levels of domestic content, some customers that don't care about. Domestic content that want price.Price. We're still able to supply that and bring in foreign steel, but we forgo 45X credits, right? And we have to. Think about that as we price our products to our customers and what they want because.
There are cases, for example, where it would still be more advantageous for usTo buy US steel because we may be at a particular. Inflection.Point. On our credit schedule, for example, that the.Utilization of US steel.Creates.A higher rebate to us.
From that steel supplier. So there's a lot to go in that. But relative to to us, we think without 45X our margins are very sound at this point and we'll continue to get better. With our cost out initiatives as we. Continue to pursue a handful of really strong cost out initiatives going throughout the year.
Thanks Kevin.

Philip Shen

One quick follow up here. What is the plan to accelerate bookings? Next Tracker's been booking business that is multiples of your bookings. How do you look, I'm not going to compare. Sorry, go ahead.

Kevin Hostetler

Phil, I'm not going to compare us to. Next Tracker bookings. Because frankly. When we look at our order book and win rate on stuff that we're up against, we're really pleased with our win rate. So I don't have an answer for you on how. They do bookings, how they measure them, what they're doing. We only know that when we look at the universe of. Projects and our win rate on projects, we're really pleased with our win rate on those projects, right? That's the only. Thing I'll focus on.

Keith Jennings

Well, Phil, what I would add to the next. Bookings and the order books are not GAAP numbers, and everyone has a little different shade on it, but in the GAAP numbers in your 10ks and 10Qs, we all have to report remaining performance obligations, and I would ask you to look at the difference between their order book and their remaining performance obligations.
Our remaining performance obligations at the end of 2024 were roughly $594 million. As you see, we're guiding our revenue towards between 1.05 and $1.15 billion. So we have a strong way of covering what we're, projecting in revenues. So I would say that that's an important, a very important metric to look at.

Philip Shen

Great, appreciate that, Keith and Kevin, thank you. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that is all the time we have today, and with that, it concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.