Release Date: February 25, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: How would you characterize the competition in the Fourth quarter, and what is the outlook for growth in 2025, particularly in the specialty business? A: Edward Rand, President and COO, noted that the competitive environment in the fourth quarter was consistent with the rest of 2024. The market remains saturated with capital, leading some players to be aggressive. ProAssurance prioritizes profitability over growth, focusing on rate increases even if it means foregoing retention. The company expects this approach to continue in 2025.
Q: What accident years contributed to the reserve development within the specialty segment? A: Edward Rand explained that reserve development was spread across various years. For the Norcal business, it came from more recent years, while for the legacy business, it was largely from 2020 and prior.
Q: Can you provide more insight into the workers' compensation business and the ability to push rates in that segment? A: Edward Rand highlighted that the ability to push rates in workers' compensation is influenced by rating bureaus, which often use outdated data. Despite declining loss cost indications, ProAssurance focuses on individual account underwriting to achieve adequate rates. The company anticipates similar challenges in 2025 as seen in 2024.
Q: How is ProAssurance approaching capital management, especially considering the stock's discount to book value? A: Dana Hendricks, CFO, stated that capital management considers operating subsidiary needs, capital efficiency, and maintaining a strong rating with A.M. Best. The company is cautiously optimistic about adding investment risks back to the portfolio and considers repurchases in the context of other capital uses.
Q: Could you elaborate on the higher expense ratio and any changes in agent relationships? A: Edward Rand confirmed no material changes in agent relationships, though there is ongoing pressure on commission levels. Dana Hendricks explained that the higher expense ratio was due to increased incentive compensation and one-time benefits in 2023. The company continues to focus on risk selection, which pressures the earned premium side of the equation.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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