Release Date: February 26, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: With some geographies and customer segments allowing for selective rate decreases, what do you expect to be the direction of the premium for policy in the year ahead? A: Alex Timm, Co-Founder & CEO: We expect to file for modest rate decreases, which may apply pressure to average premiums. However, as we grow our independent agency and partnership channels, which typically have longer retention and more vehicles per policy, the average premium per policy may remain relatively flat or modestly increase.
Q: Is the fourth quarter's mid-single-digit session rate on your premium a good run rate going forward? A: Megan Binkley, CFO: Yes, the reinsurance structure has evolved with improved underwriting results, reducing quota share sessions. We expect session levels to remain materially consistent with the fourth quarter's 9% of earned premium.
Q: Can you share any data points on retention levels for recent cohorts? A: Alex Timm, Co-Founder & CEO: While we won't share specific data points, we've seen the hyper-growth penalty from 2023 to 2024 abate and normalize, providing a tailwind for policy growth. Retention remains fairly consistent.
Q: With loss ratios trending below the 60-65% target, where do you expect the loss ratio to settle with rate reductions? A: Alex Timm, Co-Founder & CEO: We project a low to mid-single-digit loss trend for 2025. While slight rate decreases may lead to slight increases in the loss ratio, we don't expect any material changes.
Q: How do you view earnings trends for 2025 given recent positive earnings? A: Alex Timm, Co-Founder & CEO: We manage the company based on lifetime value rather than quarterly earnings. While we see opportunities for growth through partnerships and state expansion, short-term investments may pressure quarterly earnings, but they are the right long-term investments.
Q: Are you predicting any impacts from tariffs in 2025? A: Alex Timm, Co-Founder & CEO: We are not currently predicting impacts from tariffs. However, our technology platform allows us to detect and respond to changes quickly, positioning us well against competitors if disruptions occur.
Q: How is ad spend shifting in 2025 between brand awareness and performance marketing? A: Alex Timm, Co-Founder & CEO: We are increasing investment in acquisition spend, focusing on mid to upper funnel channels like YouTube and direct mail, but not on brand awareness. We apply the same technology and discipline to ensure returns on investment.
Q: Where are you seeing better returns between the direct and partnership channels? A: Alex Timm, Co-Founder & CEO: Both channels are operating at target returns. The direct channel has lower acquisition costs but upfront expenses, while the partnership channel offers longer retention and higher premiums, with costs spread over time. We are investing in both.
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