Release Date: February 26, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you provide more color on why shop guidance was exceeded this quarter and whether insurance-related costs didn't materialize in Q4 2024? A: We had occupancy growth in the fourth quarter, reaching 80% for the first time in a few years. The insurance impact was estimated at $4.4 million, which came in line with expectations. Overall, positive trends continue, and our shop NOI for 2024 was $106 million, towards the high end of our revised guidance.
Q: How confident are you in the existing operators to help drive recovery in 2025? A: We are very comfortable with our operators. We've been making changes, including transitions and asset sales, which will impact the number of assets managed by different operators. We have a dedicated in-house asset management team working closely with these groups to ensure targets are met.
Q: What's the plan for the zero-coupon bond, and can you pay it down over the next year? A: We are not planning to extend it to 2027. We've made progress with $301 million of asset sales completed or near completion. The net proceeds will go towards paying it down, leaving about $640 million. We are looking at additional property sales and financing to repay it before the January 2026 maturity.
Q: What is the interest rate on the $340 million of term sheets for secured financing? A: Based on current rates, we expect a weighted average rate of about 6.5%. This is favorable compared to the 9.75% debt being paid off, making it extremely accretive for us.
Q: Are you baking in assumptions for adverse weather events in the 2025 guidance? A: It's hard to predict weather events, so we generally don't include them in our forecasts. However, if such events occur, we will notify the market and update guidance accordingly.
Q: Who are the buyers for the assets currently being marketed, and how interest rate sensitive are they? A: The buyers are a mix, including operators with various sources of capital, such as cash, private equity, or financing. Financing can be challenging for assets with lower occupancy, but buyers typically come with financing partners.
Q: Are there opportunities for additional agency financing beyond what is expected to close in the next 60 days? A: Yes, we expect there to be opportunities. We aim to complete the first round of financing before introducing other communities to the agencies.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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