Release Date: February 04, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Marc, you mentioned opportunities in retirement accounts even without legislative changes. Can you expand on how you plan to achieve this and any insights from discussions in D.C. about enhancing fiduciary opportunities in target date funds? A: Marc Rowan, CEO: The $12 trillion to $13 trillion in 401(k) accounts are mostly invested in daily liquid stock index funds, which isn't ideal for long-term investments. Adding private market solutions has shown significantly better results globally. The challenge is a litigation culture focused on fees and a slow record-keeping infrastructure. We're seeing changes with semi-liquid equity and credit products. Regulatory reform could enhance this, but the focus is on producing the best net returns, not just low fees.
Q: Can you elaborate on the convergence of public and private markets, especially regarding asset-backed and private investment-grade opportunities? A: Marc Rowan, CEO: Not all banks are the same. Some may keep more assets due to reduced capital strain, but banks inherently borrow short and lend long, which is unstable for long-dated, complex projects like energy transition. Our partnerships with banks allow us to offer credit-neutral solutions with more flexibility than public markets. Regional bank consolidation will also create opportunities for us.
Q: With rumors of large insurance assets for sale, can you update us on Athene's capacity for large M&A transactions? A: Marc Rowan, CEO: Apollo has three pockets for acquiring insurance assets: Athene for US spread-based products, Athora for European markets, and Venerable for variable annuities. We have the capital and capability to pursue opportunities that make economic sense, focusing on earnings spread rather than just asset growth.
Q: What are your expectations for origination in 2025, and how do you see the mix of Atlas, lender finance, and direct lending evolving? A: James Zelter, Co-President: We expect geographic expansion, particularly in Europe, Japan, and Australia. High-grade capital solutions will expand, and there's a focus on hybrid origination, especially in the US, Europe, and parts of Asia. Partnerships with banks will continue to grow, offering solutions that public IG markets can't provide.
Q: How do you view the shift in interest rate sentiment to higher for longer, and what are your thoughts on balance sheet positioning for 2025? A: James Zelter, Co-President: We run a duration-matched business and prefer a higher rate environment. While the new administration's actions suggest higher rates for longer, we are well-positioned with our floater strategy. Credit is more attractive in absolute terms, and our business benefits from a higher rate environment.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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