Release Date: February 13, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Please comment on the cash flow evolution. It seems that you are burning cash. How much EBITDA is converted into cash? Could you provide guidance on the group's net cash by the end of 2025? A: Our business has a structural negative working capital, as we usually collect money at booking and pay later. The reduction of the gross travel value in 2024 by 14% negatively impacted working capital, especially in Q4. Additionally, higher adoption of our deferred payment model affected cash flow timing. In 2024, we also introduced dividends and a share buyback, impacting cash flow.
Q: Are there any plans to further reduce Freesailers ownership in percentage? A: We do not have any information about our shareholders' intentions. Changes in ownership become visible on the STIX website when an investor crosses a certain threshold, and we haven't seen any notifications yet.
Q: Could you provide details on the substantial CapEx in 2025 and what should we think about CapEx moving forward? A: The majority of CapEx was related to capitalized internal developments to improve our platform. The amount was higher than the previous year due to increased investment. We expect CapEx to remain similar to the growth of personal costs and possibly reduce compared to revenue growth.
Q: After your first five weeks, what is your first take on the status of the company? A: I've met a highly talented team and see opportunities for growth and improvement. We can reduce unnecessary complexity, improve scalability, and automate processes. The focus is on combining efficiency with growth in both top and bottom lines.
Q: What is your target debt run rate and your target year-on-year cash level? A: We will continue to reduce our gross debt as we better utilize cash balances across the group. Our net financial position is positive throughout the year, with a spike during summer months. We expect this trend to continue in 2025, especially as dynamic packages become more important.
Q: Please provide an update on your new partnership with Ryanair. What has changed, and what works better? A: We signed a new three-year agreement with Ryanair, allowing us to offer their flights in package holidays and to flight customers. Initially, integration was manual, but we now have a fully integrated solution connecting us to their inventory, which is already showing positive results.
Q: Which countries performed well in Q4? A: Most core markets performed well, but the standout growth came from tier two markets, particularly the Nordics, with Norway leading the growth.
Q: Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled in Q4 and grew 4% year-on-year. What were the key cost levers, and can this margin expansion continue? A: Q4 2023 had additional costs due to Ryanair disruptions, making for an easy comparison. Long-term, we aim to control costs without sacrificing growth, focusing on maintaining efficiency while expanding.
Q: What can we expect from your white label partnerships? A: We are exploring new partnerships to support growth. Booking.com is a major partner for our white label offering, and we also work with other travel brands. This strategy fits into a broader B2B2C distribution approach, with APIs allowing partners to connect directly to our system.
Q: Are you giving any guidance for 2025, if not now, when? A: We will provide an outlook for 2025 alongside the 2024 full-year results, scheduled for March 27, 2025.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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