• Q4 2024 Revenue: EUR153.4 million, down 2% versus Q3 and 3.9% versus Q4 2023.
• Q4 2024 Orders: EUR121.9 million, decreased by 19.7% versus Q3 and 26.7% versus Q4 2023.
• Q4 2024 Net Income: EUR59.3 million, increased 26.7% versus Q3 and 8% versus Q4 2023.
• 2024 Revenue: EUR607.5 million, grew by approximately 5% year-over-year.
• 2024 Orders: EUR586.7 million, increased by 7% year-over-year.
• 2024 Gross Margin: 65.2%.
• 2024 Operating Margin: 32%.
• 2024 Net Margin: 30%.
• 2024 Net Income: Increased 2.8% year-over-year.
• 2024 R&D Spending: Increased by 31.7%.
• 2024 Shareholder Distribution: EUR251.3 million, including EUR171.5 million cash dividend and EUR79.8 million share repurchase.
• 2024 Cash and Equivalents: EUR672.3 million, net cash of EUR143.8 million.
• 2024 Hybrid Bonding Revenue: Approximately tripled versus 2023.
• 2024 Hybrid Bonding Orders: More than doubled versus 2023.
• Q1 2025 Revenue Forecast: Expected to decrease between 0% and 10% versus Q4 2024.
• Q1 2025 Gross Margin Forecast: Expected to remain between 63% and 65%.
• Q1 2025 Operating Expenses Forecast: Expected to rise 10% to 20% versus Q4 2024.

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Release Date: February 20, 2025

For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.

Positive Points

• BESI's net income for Q4 2024 increased by 26.7% compared to the third quarter of the previous year, driven by net tax benefits.
• Revenue for the full year 2024 grew by approximately 5% to EUR 607.5 million, largely due to increased demand in AI-related and photonics applications.
• Gross margins improved slightly to 65.2% in 2024, attributed to a favorable advanced packaging product mix.
• BESI distributed EUR 251.3 million to shareholders in 2024, representing about 41% of total revenue, including a cash dividend and a share repurchase program.
• The company ended 2024 with a strong liquidity base, with cash and equivalents totaling EUR 672.3 million, a 62.6% increase from the previous year.

Negative Points

• Q4 2024 revenue decreased by 3.9% compared to Q4 2023, primarily due to lower demand for automotive applications.
• Orders in Q4 2024 fell by 26.7% year-over-year, impacted by lower bookings for hybrid bonding, photonics, and mainstream assembly applications.
• Operating income in Q4 2024 decreased by 8.2% compared to the third quarter of the previous year, affected by lower revenue and adverse foreign exchange movements.
• The company faces ongoing weakness in mainstream assembly markets and lower demand for hybrid bonding and photonics applications.
• BESI anticipates a decrease in Q1 2025 revenue by 0% to 10% compared to Q4 2024, with operating expenses expected to rise due to higher strategic consulting costs.

Q & A Highlights

Q: Richard, you mentioned that one of the downward impacts on orders in the quarter was related to hybrid bonding. Could you help us understand if this was due to a change in the market or customer level, or was it more about normal quarterly fluctuations? Also, what's your confidence level on the mainstream part of your business improving in the second half? A: Hybrid bonding orders typically show a lumpy nature, characterized by orders in certain quarters followed by deliveries. We expect this pattern to continue. In 2024, we increased customers using hybrid bonding from 9 to 15, including new entries in Korea and Japan. Regarding the mainstream business, while some customers have reduced headcount, we see positive signs of recovery in AI and high-end computing. The downturn has been long, likely due to post-COVID effects, but we expect a recovery as inventories decrease and utilization rates improve.

Q: Could you provide some guidance on hybrid bonding growth for 2025? Will it be as strong as 2024? Also, how does the current downturn in mainstream assembly equipment compare to previous downturns? A: It's early to predict 2025, but we see significant adoption in logic and potential demand for capacity. The key will be whether HBM adopts hybrid bonding. The downturn in mainstream assembly is not as deep as in 2015 or 2018-2019, thanks to new technologies like hybrid bonding and photonics, which have helped offset declines.

Q: There are reports suggesting that some companies might not need hybrid bonding for certain applications. Does this affect your view on demand for hybrid bonding tools? A: We haven't heard definitive statements against hybrid bonding. While some processes like TC NXT are also in development, hybrid bonding offers performance benefits like better heat dissipation and less power consumption. We continue to see interest and development in hybrid bonding, and our strategy includes a complete portfolio to address various interconnect needs.

Q: Can you provide an overview of where your 15 hybrid bonding customers are in the adoption curve? A: We have customers in various stages, from R&D to volume production. In the US and Taiwan, we have significant logic device programs. In Korea and Japan, we are in early development stages. Our customers include major players in logic and memory, and we are seeing adoption across different regions and applications.

Q: How do you define AI-related applications, and what products are you supplying to these markets? A: We define AI-related applications as those related to high-end computing and data centers, including 2.5D and 3D logic. Our products for these markets include hybrid bonding, photonics, and certain flip-chip applications. Hybrid bonding orders were the largest within this segment in 2024.

For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.