Release Date: February 24, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: The contingent commission figure was surprisingly large this quarter. Can you explain how this came about and whether this changes your view on normalized contingent commission figures? A: Mark Jones, CFO: We had guided to around 35-40 basis points of premium as contingent commissions. However, core loss ratio information from our largest underwriters showed better performance than anticipated, leading to larger contingencies. For 2025, we remain conservative in our forecasts, expecting contingent commissions to be smaller than in 2024, but over time, they should trend between 80-85 basis points of total written premium.
Q: What are your expectations for EBITDA margin in 2025, considering investments in AI tools and other factors? A: Mark Jones, CFO: We plan to grow core revenue faster than expenses, leading to margin expansion over time. While contingent commissions might be smaller in 2025, core EBITDA margin should expand. Technological advances depend on underwriters' growth appetite, and we'll update as the year progresses.
Q: Are product offerings returning across all geographies and perils, or are there specific areas where recovery is more pronounced? A: Mark Miller, CEO: Product return varies by state and product. In Texas, we're seeing recovery more on the ENS side. Auto products are picking up rapidly across the U.S., and California is starting to open up despite recent wildfires. Overall, we're pleased with the product's return.
Q: How do you expect commission rates and client retention to impact your 2025 guidance? A: Mark Jones, CFO: We expect average commission rates to rise as the admitted market heals and more product access becomes available. We're having discussions with carriers about raising commission rates to incentivize growth. For client retention, we're conservatively forecasting improvements, but the pace will depend on macroeconomic factors and product environment recovery.
Q: Can you elaborate on the direct-to-consumer experience and its timeline for implementation? A: Mark Miller, CEO: We're actively working on it, with auto likely to be implemented first. Home insurance is more complex, so I won't provide a specific timeline, but we're making progress.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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