Release Date: February 28, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: What trends are you seeing in January and February, and how do they relate to the deceleration in same-store NOI guidance? A: Danny Prosky, President and CEO, explained that while Q1 2025 will be higher than Q1 2024, several factors such as employer FICA resets and higher winter utilities affect early-year performance. Historically, Q1 tends to be flat over Q4, with growth resuming throughout the year. Strong occupancy growth in skilled nursing was noted, attributed to the flu season, while shop occupancy slightly dropped. Overall, the company is pleased with the start of the year.
Q: Can you provide insights into the acquisition pipeline and the volume of deals being considered? A: Stefan Oh, Executive Vice President - Acquisitions, stated that the pipeline is robust and more significant than the previous year. The company is actively evaluating new opportunities, working closely with operators to identify the best fits for the portfolio.
Q: Regarding Trilogy's occupancy, when can you start pushing rates and seeing margin expansion? A: Danny Prosky noted that current occupancy levels are above pre-COVID levels, allowing for rate increases. The AL component is in the high 80s, and skilled nursing is around 90%. Trilogy's model focuses on short-term stays, so maintaining some bed availability is crucial for higher-paying Medicare patients.
Q: How are you addressing potential Medicaid policy changes, particularly in Trilogy? A: Danny Prosky highlighted that Trilogy's Medicaid exposure is about 21% and has been decreasing. While predicting policy changes is difficult, Trilogy can pivot away from Medicaid if necessary, focusing more on AL and Medicare. Historically, attempts to cut skilled nursing reimbursements have been reversed due to negative impacts.
Q: What is the outlook for Trilogy's development and expansion projects in 2025? A: Danny Prosky mentioned that the company plans to start approximately $140 million in new Trilogy development projects in 2025, including new campuses and expansions. The typical annual number of new campus starts is expected to be 2 to 3, with an estimated annual development spend of around $150 million.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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