Release Date: March 06, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: How much visibility does Hudson Technologies have into the channel, and can they see upstream destocking as it develops? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, explained that they expect inventory totals for 2024 to be lower than 2023 due to a 30% reduction in allowances. However, upstream inventory balances are still significant, and they are cautious about 2025. Prices may change as they approach the cooling season, with more clarity expected by April or May.
Q: With inventories at $96 million, is Hudson Technologies in good shape, or will they continue to purchase aggressively? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, stated that they manage inventory levels to sell within the next season, not carrying a full year's worth. Inventory dollars are coming down due to price rather than volume, and they aim to reload inventory at lower prices. They expect further room to lower inventory dollars based on price alone during the 2025 sales season.
Q: How does the distribution of virgin gas impact Hudson's revenue and business operations? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, noted that HFCs are still dominated by virgin supply, and this is true for Hudson as well. While they can access reclaimed HFCs, the percentage is still in single digits relative to overall HFC demand.
Q: Has there been any impact on the DLA contract from administrative changes, and what is the outlook for the contract renewal? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, mentioned that there are no administrative activities negatively impacting the DLA contract outlook for 2025. The successor contract bid proposals were submitted later than expected, with results likely in the latter part of 2025. They anticipate revenue from the contract to be in the low to mid-30s for 2025.
Q: How might tariffs and trade wars impact Hudson Technologies, particularly regarding refrigerant allocations for 2025? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, explained that large tariffs already exist on Chinese-produced HFC refrigerants. The impact may be more direct on steel tariffs, affecting cylinder costs. They expect to pass these price increases through the channel, as other suppliers are likely to do the same.
Q: How will the transition to new OEM equipment with hybrid refrigerants impact inventory levels and destocking pace in 2025? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, stated that the transition to lower GWP systems is causing market disruption, but the industry should catch up with availability soon. There will be a sell-through of legacy equipment, and supply issues should resolve in the coming months.
Q: What is the outlook for reclaiming new refrigerants, and how does it compare to virgin HFCs? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, noted that while they can technically reclaim replacement refrigerants, it will take time before significant volumes are available. Concerns exist around patent rights for multi-component products. In the near term, they expect large volumes of HFCs to be reclaimed.
Q: How is the demand and pricing for older refrigerants like R-22 evolving? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, indicated that R-22 volumes are declining slowly, as seen in EPA reclaim data. R-22 remains stable in supply and demand, unaffected by the upstream stockpile issues impacting HFCs.
Q: Are there any updates on overseas licensing opportunities for portable distillation equipment? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, mentioned that they have a few existing relationships for licensing equipment and are exploring more opportunities, especially in developing nations. However, there are no recent developments in this area.
Q: Could there be changes to the HFC production cap under the new Congress? A: Brian Coleman, CEO, stated that any changes to allowances would require legislation. Currently, there is no advocacy for changes to the AIM Act, and it is not a priority for Congress. The refrigerant management rule, including reclaim mandates, is not under congressional review.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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